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As someone more left leaning but also Catholic, I’ve always wondered why Christianity is really the only religion that people feel comfortable to mock and attack.

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Anonymous 3w

bc it’s the one with the most social privilege so it’s like punching up

Anonymous 3w

it has the biggest sociopolitical influence in this country. I imagine if christians didn’t have so much pull in politics and cultural norms they’d not be mocked so much

Anonymous 3w

As I left Leaning Catholic as well— ive seen people mocking “skydaddy”. but that could apply to any religion. Most people’s criticism of Catholicism is more about how it’s embedded into America and plays a role in government. But that gets less views than making fun of people believing in God. People have justified negative opinions on American christianity IMO and it’s easier for them to mock than type out a long ass paragraph like this

Anonymous 3w

I make fun of Christianity because it’s the religion I was raised in and I understand it well. I don’t understand other religions well so there’s not much for me to mock. That simple

Anonymous 3w

Brother in New York they were making ads to make mamdani’s beard look bigger 😭

Anonymous 3w

Cause it’s the dominant religion in our culture. Institutional religion is a farse, and those who *are* spiritual really need to start reshaping their institutions

Anonymous 3w

Well first of all, it’s not really. Right now a significant portion of the country (many of which are Christians) openly mock and misconstrue Islam out of fear and ignorance. Even South Park has openly made fun of pretty much every religion. Second, most sects of Christianity and Conservatism go hand-in-hand. Episcopalians and Presbyterians in the US have been 19/45 unique (not double-counted) US Presidents and it’s an obvious conflict of interest in a supposedly secular government.

Anonymous 3w

Because Muslims aren't trying to turn America into a theocracy

Anonymous 3w

because it’s the only one that also mocks and attacks others… Westbro Baptist Church, for example. i went to Catholic school until kindergarten and found a book that depicted naked paper people with genitalia & all, and that book said a woman interrupted or questioned God, so he *struck her with lightning between the legs* and supposedly that’s why women bleed monthly after that… and even as a 1st grader i went “hmmm that doesn’t seem right, nor kind!”

Anonymous 3w

Because it’s truth, they hate what God stands for, and because they have virtually no idea what other religions believe so they take it out on Christianity

Anonymous

#1 3w

it was basically a creationism book that talked about adam and eve too, but i remember putting it down and just being like “wtf even was that” Catholicism, specifically, is much harsher than other denominations. I noticed growing up that those who were Catholic were also extremely quick to judge and cast shame or doubt…

Anonymous

#3 3w

Right wingers mock and genuinely attack minority faiths all the time, ESPECIALLY Muslims. Christianity is the dominant religion. It’s the one that does the oppressing. Thats why people not on the right feel comfortable attacking it. Because it’s not oppressed and it’s the one that oppresses others.

Anonymous

#3 3w

I should say dominant religion in this country. In Iraq Islam would take this role. In India it would be Hinduism. In Tibet it would be Buddhism.

Anonymous

#1 3w

I do agree that Christian’s can be judgmental but I definitely don’t agree that it’s the only religion that mocks and attacks others. You’ll see it in this community on Easter, promise you. I personally would never ever talk about another religion the way others talk about Christianity. There are hateful people who claim to be Christian because of their “political values”, but their morals don’t reflect those of Jesus’s. There’s hypocrisy everywhere.

Anonymous

#2 3w

I just feel like it’s disrespectful regardless

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Anonymous

#3 3w

I don’t agree with people doing that at all but the whole “that’s why people not on the right feel comfortable attacking it” is throwing me because not all Christians are right wingers. I just think it’s disrespectful to trash any religion, I personally would never even think to do that.

Anonymous

#3 3w

As if Buddhists would ever attack other religions lol. They really be the most chill

Anonymous

#4 3w

They really do be

Anonymous

#4 3w

The genocide in Myanmar against Rohingya Muslims has been primarily committed by Buddhist nationalists

Anonymous

OP 3w

Not all christians are right wingers, black Protestants especially are overwhelmingly democratic. But Christianity is a primary driver of right wing politics in this country. A great many people have had negative experiences with Christianity, myself included. People are going to criticize the religion and the religious institutions which have harmed them and people they care about.

Anonymous

OP 3w

maybe but people disrespect people and all kind of things all the time

Anonymous

#3 3w

I think you’re missing that geographical location is also a HUGE factor. I’m Catholic and from New England which is bluer than blue. Majority of us are Irish or Italian or Latin American. You go over to NYC or California, same thing. We are majority Catholic and historically vote blue time after time. You go down south, denominations are different, you mix in the us history, you’re not going to see the same thing.

Anonymous

OP 3w

I mean even if you do look at other geographical locations, there’s always going to be outliers. I don’t think any of us in the US would agree with how women are treated in places like Afghanistan or Iran regarding basic human rights, but just because their government/military is primarily Muslim that doesn’t mean it reflects the entire religion and people who practice.

Anonymous

OP 3w

I think that you can look at the history of different religions and can distinguish between them and point out particular critiques. Often times reformist movements can remove some of these more problematic aspects, as has happened in western Christianity, but there are still issue found in the theology that lead to modern harm.

Anonymous

#3 3w

Islam *is* predominantly repressive towards women. That doesn’t mean all Muslims are but the religion as a whole encourages misogyny. Christianity is historically intolerant of minority religions when compared to most of Islam’s history. It also has a history of encouraging misogyny and still drives much of it today. Traditionalist Judaism is also misogynistic. Hinduism has justified the caste system.

Anonymous

#7 3w

“The Bible says life begins at conception” is not a valid reason for abortion to be straight up outlawed. Third, there’s scandals across most sects. As a Catholic myself, I’d like to point out the Vatican shuffling pedophiles, Canada’s resident schools, and hitting kids with rulers. Fundamentalists are insufferable and so easy to mock and oftentimes the dumbest are also the loudest. Many people lost faith in the church because of continuous scandals.

Anonymous

#7 3w

And last is the hypocrisy. Christian/Conservative crossover is such a paradox. We’re deporting and disappearing and threatening to invade our neighbors. Mega churches amass huge amounts of wealth and don’t help the sick and poor. Social programs are being stripped from Americans. Conservative Christians don’t want children to be fed. Looking at Islam, one of their CORE PILLARS is a redistribution of wealth, which is something Mayor Mamdani ran on.

Anonymous

#9 3w

Islam fully rejects western civilization LMFAO see this is what I mean people have no idea what they’re talking about, look at any Islamic state

Anonymous

#8 3w

It’s really weird to me that many religious people can’t understand why the non-religious criticize their religion beyond “they hate God.” Like surely *you* know that’s a strawman right?

Anonymous

#8 3w

Any “islamic state” or any predominantly Muslim state? Islamic states can be liberalized and secularized just like Christian ones can. The Ottoman Empire decriminalized homosexuality 100 years before England did.

Anonymous

#3 3w

Obviously a state that declares Islam as the official religion is going to be more repressive than a secular, democratic nation with a majority Muslim population. The same applies for Christian countries though.

Anonymous

#3 3w

They do hate what the Christian God stands for. The most interesting thing about atheism to me is that majority if not all atheists truly believe that people who believe in God have never considered life’s questions and are simply dumb

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Anonymous

#3 3w

No not at all. they’re literally fundamentally so, so different

Anonymous

#8 3w

How?

Anonymous

#8 3w

sure but Muslim nationalists have no power in the US compared to a whole party dedicated to christian nationalism

Anonymous

#9 3w

Yeah because trump is a perfect example of a Christian? The man literally said himself he doesn’t think he’s going to heaven

Anonymous

#8 3w

I don't care if you think they're christians. They call themselves christians and explicitly state in their party platform that they want to legislate based on the bible.

Anonymous

OP 3w

Who cares. American christians are some of the worst and most disrespectful people I've ever met.

Anonymous

#9 3w

So if that were true there would be no freedom of religion

Anonymous

#8 3w

It is true so interpret that how you want.

Anonymous

#9 3w

Really good point! lol

Anonymous

#8 3w

I’m an atheist. You think I became an atheist because I’m angy at God? That im just a grumpy pouty sinner who pretends to not believe so that I can do all my prohibited sinful activities. Nah man it’s because theres a lack of sufficient evidence to indicate its existence. You don’t deny the existence of gremlins because you are angry at what gremlins stand for.

Anonymous

#3 3w

I never even said anything about being angry at God. The question: why do ppl mock Christians. My answer: they hate what the Christian God represents, among other reasons

Anonymous

#9 3w

But you would never say that about any other religion is the point

Anonymous

#6 3w

I agree that religion should absolutely be separated from politics. I just always wondered why people only talk ish about Christianity. I can’t lie I do the same thing to mega churches as a Catholic so I guess I’m no better but still curious I guess lol

Anonymous

#5 3w

Honestly yeah you have a point. The right wingers do make us look bad as a whole when they try and mix politics with religion. Everyone has the right to believe in whatever religion they want.

Anonymous

#11 3w

I also make fun of Mormons

Anonymous

#8 3w

What do you think that means? What do you think he represents that they hate?

Anonymous

#7 3w

I get that. I do. However, in that case, I think everyone of every religion can be a hypocrite. Other Christians probably think I’m a hypocrite for being pro-choice and socially left, and yes I think the right are hypocrites for being full of hatred/greed/lacking empathy/not caring for those in need/etc. I mean visit this community on Easter and you will see the blatant mocking from people that say the other side is hateful. Both sides are hypocrites and I wish more people were able to see it.

Anonymous

#3 3w

Objective truth

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Anonymous

#8 3w

That clarifies very little. Actually explain.

Anonymous

#3 3w

How can I be more clear? atheism rejects objective truth. Christianity affirm objective truth

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Anonymous

#10 3w

So because Christianity is the most common religion in our country that’s what makes it okay to say disrespectful things about it? Just wondering

Anonymous

OP 3w

Yes I would. If American Muslims were doing the things American christians are I would also call them terrible people.

Anonymous

#8 3w

I feel that you really underestimate the diversity of philosophical thought within non-religious circles. Some people are atheists and believe in objective morality. And also most non-religious do not give a fuck about “objective truth” and other Christian philosophical terms I promise you that nobody is going “grrrr those damn christians and their objective morality.” It’s because Christianity enables genocide and child abuse my guy.

Anonymous

#9 3w

Well good. That’s the thing tho, is it American Christian’s or is it right wingers? Because there are plenty of modern day conservatives who tote being a devout Christian when in reality they are just hateful people who USE religion rather than actually PRACTICE it. There are also plenty of left Christians, like me, who literally just try to be a good person and practice their religion even if we’re not perfect. I just feel like generalizing an entire religion as terrible people is crazy.

Anonymous

#3 3w

So, mocking Christians because they don’t like what they think the Christian God represents IE to you God represents genocide and child abuse somehow. My point stands but u right about no atheists believing in objective truth that’s my b!

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Anonymous

#8 3w

I feel that you are mistaking a negative attitude towards the religion as being a negative attitude towards that religion’s deity specifically. Atheists specifically don’t believe in God. God is not a real entity to us. It would be ridiculous to have a specific hatred towards a concept we do not believe in. The anti-religious attitudes are due to the things the religion has been used for.

Anonymous

#8 3w

there’s no such thing as objective truth, that is a delusion

Anonymous

#3 3w

A religious belief in objective moral lists can grearly enable horrible things. Because under that system, what is moral is not what helps or harms the most people, it’s whatever “God” (really whoever claims to speak for God) says is moral. “God says kill the infidels! Don’t consider the morality of killing babies, he says to do it.” Or “why is being gay bad if it hurts no one? God says so that’s why”

Anonymous

#3 3w

And the justification, which is God. which leads people to associate the Christian God (in this example) with the things they don’t like

Anonymous

#3 3w

People do not have an issue with objective morality as a concept. What they have an issue with is what the religion has been used to justify and do. Christian beliefs have been used to support genocide, slavery, misogyny, and child abuse. Some have used Christianity to oppose those things but that doesn’t change that a belief system which can go either way is problematic.

Anonymous

#3 3w

Scroll up a few to see what #5 just said

Anonymous

#8 3w

They think objective moral truth is wrong. I think so too. But I don’t think either of us are like… enraged and infuriated by it it as an abstract concept

Anonymous

#3 3w

Yeah I don’t think anyone here is angry bud you just reject objective truth which Christianity affirms which you don’t like so you make fun of and mock Christianity

Anonymous

#8 3w

Among other reasons 😌

Anonymous

#8 3w

christianity doesn’t affirm anything. It states a belief. A belief by the way, which you don’t even hold true for example, is it objectively true that it is wrong to drown a baby who has committed no immoral act, human or animal?

Anonymous

#8 3w

My guy I promise you that Christianity pushing homophobia and misogyny, enabling genocide and sexual abuse, and repressing minority religions are what we actually care about. Not “rejecting objective truth.”

Anonymous

#5 3w

That’s *objectively* false. It affirms that God is real, eternal, the creator of the world, it affirms that reality has a purpose and everyone has a purpose, objective truth exists (however, that’s not to say all things are objective) the list goes on and on

Anonymous

#8 3w

No it states that God is real, what’s your your proof that God exists? While you’re pondering on that proof, I’d love for you to answer the other question you chose to intentionally ignore.

Anonymous

#11 3w

😭😭😭

Anonymous

#5 3w

Christianity most definitely affirms the belief that God is real along with everything I just listed and more (proof can be found in Jesus Christ). I answered it, just because objective truth exists doesn’t mean everything in the world is objective and doesn’t mean Christians don’t actually believe in objective truth lol

Anonymous

#5 3w

Just like atheism affirms the belief that God is not real, where’s your proof of that

Anonymous

#8 3w

I didn’t ask if everything in the world is objective. I asked is it objectively true, that acts (like drowning a child or animals that’s committed no immoral act) is wrong? Simple yes or no. You saying the proof is you believe it is circular reasoning. You’re confusing affirming a FACT. And affirming a belief. Christianity says God is real, that doesn’t affirm that he actually is.

Anonymous

#8 3w

That only affirms that christian’s believe he’s real. But that doesn’t in itself validate that claim.

Anonymous

#5 3w

yes, it is objectively wrong to drown an innocent child. If you answer “yes,” you affirm objective moral facts that exist independent of opinion. The disagreement isn’t whether that’s true but what grounds that truth. No one said “Christianity affirms the existence of God which makes it true”, I was responding to your false claim that Christianity affirms nothing

Anonymous

#8 3w

Okay. so when God floods the earth, and wipes out all the children both human and animal which does happen in the bible, you’d agree it was objectively wrong. Under your worldview you believe God committed an objectively wrong act. It affirms a belief it presupposes. That is not affirming facts. That’s the point of my contesting the second statement

Anonymous

#5 3w

Because I believe God is the giver and sustainer of life, He has authority over life in a way humans do not. Moral prohibitions like “do not murder” apply to creatures, not to the Creator who gives, sustains, and justly ends life. You can reject that framework but it’s not internally inconsistent or implicative that God was “objectively wrong” under a Christian moral worldview. I never said that Christianity is true because of what it affirms, but it’s factually wrong to say it affirms nothing

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Anonymous

#8 3w

So then it’s not actually objectively wrong then. The act itself isn’t objectively wrong to make. That’s cherry picking at best and authoritative morality (subversion to a subjective moral authority) at worst.

Anonymous

OP 3w

Honestly, I don’t think the distinction matters. If you don’t support the people false flagging Christianity, then I think you should be speaking against them. IMO, Catholicism and Christianity doesn’t really mesh with infighting. Christians and Catholics tend to sit back and not defend these types of people. If the church actually stood up and said “half of you people aren’t even believers” things would change, but they refuse to do so.

Anonymous

OP 3w

Rather, we have 100 different branches of Christianity, where people justify their beliefs through any means necessary

Anonymous

#5 3w

The point is that human morality laws apply to humans, not the source of morality

Anonymous

OP 3w

I think when people talk shit on Christianity, they’re criticizing religion as a whole. Like I said, they make fun of sky, daddy and God not being real, which applies to every religion. I don’t think insulting the Christian God is their intent, but rather pointing out American Christian hypocrisy, and how they act.

Anonymous

OP 3w

I understand I’m a very liberal person, and I have my own connection with the Bible and Jesus. I believe in evolution and I believe in some things that inherently discredit the Bible, but I don’t think it makes the Bible useless. I still believe in God I still trust in God I just think messaging has been skewed.

Anonymous

#8 3w

This feels like a cop out. We don’t regulate morality regulate actions. if your actions are evil then I can’t back you.

Anonymous

#8 3w

Honestly, arguing morality all is useless. You’re never gonna convince a child rapist that raping children is wrong. Don’t argue morality argue legislation. And arguably legislation has leaned catholic and Christian for a long time.

Anonymous

#8 3w

So morality or obedience to an authority figure. So your entire moral system is whatever God says. Which is no real system, and to prove that point. If God today, were to say that rape is moral, would you believe that rape is moral? I’m not asking if he ever would. I’m not saying or implying he ever would, or that he does currently.

Anonymous

#5 3w

No because it’s already been established that it’s an evil act and no good comes from it. God is the same yesterday today and 4ever so I wouldn’t trust a harmful message like that to come from God

Anonymous

#8 3w

In other words morality is grounded in God’s unchanging nature of goodness, not by arbitrary commands. Rape contradicts that nature, so it could never be moral or commanded by God

Anonymous

#8 3w

Then let me rephrase. If that was an established moral standard he had already set, would you believe rape is moral?

Anonymous

#5 3w

That question only works if morality is arbitrary, which Christianity explicitly rejects. Asking whether God could establish rape as moral is like asking whether God could contradict Himself. This is an incoherent hypothetical

Anonymous

#6 3w

Believe it or not, I think you have the right to your own opinion, so you’re preaching to the wrong crowd. I was just curious as to WHY people feel comfortable doing it. I don’t think I’m perfect or above anyone else. I will stand up for my morals and will condemn the actions of some Christians. I don’t agree with mega churches, I don’t agree with Southern Baptists teachings, I don’t agree with the LDS church and don’t feel the need to justify their beliefs so I don’t agree with that at all.

Anonymous

#6 3w

Agreed

Anonymous

#8 3w

You calling it incoherent doesn’t actually make it incoherent. I’m asking if hypothetically, he had set this standard, would it be moral?

Anonymous

#5 3w

I’ve already explained why it’s incoherent, you denying it doesn’t make it so. sorry

Anonymous

#8 3w

It doesn’t “only” work if it’s arbitrary. That’s a false dichotomy. Are you refusing to answer that question? That if God set the standard of rape being moral, you would view it as moral?

Anonymous

#5 3w

I’m not refusing to answer im rejecting the premise. Under Christianity, morality isn’t arbitrary divine command, so the hypothetical doesn’t get off the ground

Anonymous

#8 3w

I’m not claiming morality is arbitrary under this hypothetical. You’re not substantiating how it actually is when I’m explicitly stating it’s not.

Anonymous

#5 3w

Intent doesn’t override entailment. Your hypothetical still assumes God’s will could diverge from His nature, which Christianity denies. That’s why the premise fails, regardless of how you label it

Anonymous

#8 3w

No, the hypothetical presents a situation where God always was this way, and had set this standard. So?

Anonymous

#5 3w

Then you’re no longer talking about the Christian God. If “God always was this way,” such that rape is good, you’ve changed God’s nature, not tested Christian morality. At that point the question isn’t “would Christians call it moral,” but “what if goodness meant something else.” That’s a different concept entirely, so the objection doesn’t apply

Anonymous

#8 3w

Sure I am, but since you’re seemingly unable to accept the premise despite it being logically sound, we can move to another point. If God were to endorse beating people (who have committed no immoral act) would that be moral?

Anonymous

#5 3w

lol this is the same invalid premise repeated with new examples. Christianity rejects the framework you’re insisting on, so the objection doesn’t land. If you can’t comprehend the several explanations given to you, that’s on you

Anonymous

#8 3w

So God would never endorse beating people?