Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I don’t remember gutting malaria prevention programs ever being on the table in her admin

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

You wanted it to continue?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Honestly sounds like gloating tbh

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Anonymous #1 3w

She was VP while Biden sent people back into work while COVID was rampant so idk man not sure she’d’ve been super health conscious as the head honcho either

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Anonymous #3 3w

No but I can’t keep having this same conservation

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Wait, now your claim is that Biden was bad on COVID?

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Anonymous #3 3w

Inarguably true. Mass disabling, more dementia, all of those numbers are going up and will com the to do so.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

You directly implied that in that scenario you wanted, it would be continuing

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

*will continue to do so, sorry. iOS update killing me

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Biden sent people back to work? The states were the ones that controlled when they reopened. The CDC has no rulemaking authority aside from the border. The state and local governments actually control public health laws, and *sometimes* (*cough* Florida) choose to follow the CDC guidelines

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Anonymous #3 3w

Yes, because Kamala wouldn’t have done anything about Gaza. That’s the opinion you guys are all mad at me for having, remember?

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Anonymous #1 3w

“The federal government could’ve done nothing about these state policies” uh-huh.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I mean I assume you know why they always said “CDC guidelines” instead of “federal law”, right? Guidelines aren’t laws. That’s why states reopened very differently

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

We had Joe Biden and we saw the difference it’s not theoretical, so we already know you ‘rewrong.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Joe Biden: famous Palestine defender and brave setter of precedent to stand up to Isn’treal. None of his admin’s actions laid the groundwork for our current political climate at all, folks.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

The federal government did where do you think the vaccines came from lol what?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

That’s not my claim, I know you want to go on a ramble but actually respond to me. My claim is democrats would have been and have been better.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

In the same way that smoking light cigarettes will still give you cancer, sure

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Well no the analogy isn’t correct, the U.S. is one of the most prosperous countries ever. Democrats generally continue that and republicans pursue policy that doesn’t do that.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Prosperous for whom and at the expense of whom?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I think generally it’s a net positive for everyone in the world post ww2 the world has been the most prosperous and peaceful it’s ever been.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

If you’re going to attempt to argue in good faith, at least acknowledge that the states controlled most of their reopening. I noticed you haven’t responded to that point

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

“Blackshirts and Reds” by Michael Parenti. America has not been an instrument of peace in any capacity post WW2

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Anonymous #1 3w

When in a state of the union address a president says "it's time for Americans to get back to work" (2022) what kind of signal is he sending to the states?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Ok instead of quoting a random socialist book at me by a questionable author. Why don’t you articulate how what I said was wrong.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Well in the book he basically goes thru it but in short, all of the illegal secret ops America ran in pursuit of a global stability that benefited this country killed people and led to circumstances that left many hundreds of thousands more impoverished

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

“Questionable author” yeah ok

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

It seems like he is on a quick search he made some weird statements about Serbian war crimes. But maybe if dug in they aren’t that bad.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Notice how that literally has nothing to do with my arguement. The U.S. having secret ops doesn’t mean we don’t live in the most prosperous and peaceful times. Also we can go through Soviet actions during the time if you rlly want to make the comparison. Can you name a time period where the world was more peaceful or more prosperous?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

I mean, he’s got a whole book on that (admittedly it is still on my reading list). A few searches cannot encapsulate the whole idea.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Sure, tell me all about the evil stuff the Soviet Union did. Don’t even peruse the free pdf of the book. America is so peaceful we have hundreds of military bases overseas (only country in the world to do that btw)

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

The “peace” you describe at home is, as I have always said, achieved by the horrific exploitation of so-called “third world” countries.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I looked at the pdf I still have no idea what this has to do with my argument at all. Lmao does military bases = conflict. Notice how every single time I make an argument you reference random adjacent things. I’ll ask again bc I read your pdf I’m sure you’ll answer this time can name a more peaceful or prosperous time period?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I’m not describing peace at home I’m describing peace globally, again it’s not that hard to talk about my claims I make them pretty clear. We’re rlly trying to head into a ramble lol.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Also he makes a lot of claims in the book and doesn’t rlly reference anything lol. Even if it had anything to do with my argument, Idk if I’m just supposed to take him at face value or if I’m supposed to explore every random historical claim he makes to make sure he’s representing it correctly. This would be like me sending you a random book who someone who just agrees with me with no source lol idk what I was supposed to take away from that.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

God FORBID I reference a book, holyyy 😭 Technological advances have made things better yes, but again, all of the luxuries that you and I enjoy are only supported by violence and exploitation. The “order” you enjoy is maintained through domination and violence. What about this is unclear to you? Also

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Are these people prospering

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Are the 5.4% and increasing members of the US workforce with multiple jobs prospering? The child slaves who mined the cobalt in my phone, or in a car prospering? The people being bought and sold in Libya?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communist_mass_killings here’s a Wikipedia about some of the cool peace-creation this country helped with lmao

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

“The Jakarta Method” is another good book that breaks this down

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

He did sparsely footnote it lol

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Ok you rlly want to ramble I’m not gonna engage until you answer this question can you name a more peaceful or prosperous time in history?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I mean I can show you a wiki of a communist mass killing if this is the arguments we’re making. I love the headline screenshots these are super convincing. I wish I lived in your very simple world of random wiki articles, random headlines and poorly sourced papers that just agree with all your preconceived opinions.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

You tell me what kind of signal that sends. Because they had all reopened by July 2021

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

No but things are still bad rn so what’s the point?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Is the message that I am to be content?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

We are absolutely not the only country in the world to have bases overseas btw

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Anonymous #1 3w

And more people were still virtual, insulating themselves. That option was slowly taken away, again, exposing people to a virus that fucks your body up forever.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

You’re moving the goalposts. You said Biden sent a signal to the states to reopen when he said something at the 2022 SOTU. That signal was nothing, because every state had already opened up in 2021. At least *try* to argue in good faith

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Anonymous #1 3w

Got lost in the weeds on the thread, my b. I did fuck up that timeline

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

That’s the entire point they’re bad relative to what??

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Relative to a society in which people aren’t sacrificed for shareholder value, hello, that’s what I’ve been saying

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Ok thank you for actually engaging I like that you could have been doing this the entire time. No that isn’t the point the point is that your evaluation of things arbitrary that obviously the U.S. system has been working relative to other systems. Now if you want to say things can improve I would agree, but relative to other actors the U.S. has been historically good for the world.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Anyway, what’s the date on that Fortune article? What were the stats in 2024, when Biden was actually president? How many states were in a recession?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Better relative to other systems*

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

America, a force for good in the counties we bomb and destabilize? You have an idealized history of this country in your mind.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I’m not saying all US bombings are good, you’re smart enough to understand words idk you keep trying to strawman me. I’ll keep saying this you’ve essentially agreed to this point. The U.S. has been a good actor relative to other actors historically.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

The track record is ass. But of the major powers, the US is not as bad as the others, and I think that’s blue_wave’s point. The UK sucks and they’re not even a major power anymore. Russia sucks. China has plenty of human rights violations and child labor

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Anonymous #1 3w

They understands the point I’m making they’re intentionally being bad faith at this point. That’s why they had to screen shot random headlines and reference twenty irrelevant things. Then when I kept pressing them they could suddenly answer my question no problem.

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Anonymous #1 3w

So why can’t the point be that America (and the world but yk) needs to change instead of “look at these other bad countries we’re not like!” Also bringing up labor violations to defend the us pretty funny.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

The United States just paid more money than god to make you THINK they’ve been goody two shoes this whole time. I’m more critical of the USSR than you seem to be of America rn.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I already made that point dipshit

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Weird how you left out the word CHILD in front of labor

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

What have said that’s propaganda pls tell me I’m super curious.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Bring up CHILD LABOR violations to defend the United States of America is hilarious

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

That’s been the entire point. That America can be better. And has been better than whatever the fuck it is this past year

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Wasn’t defending the US. Literally said “the track record is ass”. Atp you’re being obtuse

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Anonymous #1 3w

Ok, so we wait a few years, elect a democrat, and things get better again, right?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

No, who said that?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

That you have a favorable outlook on American foreign policy in general speaks volumes

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Ok so you can’t name anything specific to be clear that was just another random thing you said.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

You have to admit you’ve been extremely bad faith in this convo right?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

I love how the convo stopped 💀

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Anonymous #4 3w

She definitely dodged the question about whether Netanyahu was a close ally

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Anonymous #1 3w

I want to get dinner obviously we r not going to convince one another of anything

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

No?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Exact quote: “America’s support for Israel’s security must. be. rock. solid.”

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Anonymous #4 3w

Wasn’t that Biden?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Naw I just watched the video clip of her saying that 🤷‍♀️ it really is devastating how much influence Israel has

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Anonymous #4 3w

What’s the date on that clip?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Pretty sure it’s around August 2024

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Anonymous #4 3w

But earlier, in 2020, she has also said that Israel is a “critical friend and ally”

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Anonymous #1 3w

What date would’ve made this ok for her to say?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Can you link the clip?

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Anonymous #4 3w

Which is historically true, Israel has historically been an ally and has been supported by the American public, that has shifted slightly since the beginning of the war (for democrats). Regardless I agree you can think Israeli action has gone to far, I think Kamala and Biden did more to push Israel in the right direction compared to Trump.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Obviously there’s a scale of “well that’s not good” to “oh that’s abhorrent”

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

They didn’t push shiiiit come onnnnn

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Anonymous #1 3w

I’m gonna be real and admit that it was in an instagram reel 😭 but I do suggest the article by “boughtbyzionism.org” on her bc it reveals that she has taken a ton of money from pro-Israel lobbyists; in any case both republicans and dems have been complicit to Israel

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Anonymous #4 3w

mhmmm, I knew it. Because that speech was likely from 2020. Her record on Israel isn’t very good at all, but since 2023 it has shifted, at least from a rhetoric standpoint

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Wdym? we’ve seen what Israel does if there’s no one pushing them. They stop aid for months and then restart it with private contractors they control. If you think it’s the same thing then you haven’t been keeping up with the conflict, which isn’t surprising.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Israel has been doing genocide and occupation since the forties with no oversight, I’m really curious what you think Biden did and Kamala was going to do in service of nudging them away from that direction

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Anonymous #1 3w

“Mhmmm I knew it” ‘Now she supports the ethnostate LESS!’ -you

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

What they had already been doing they pressured both Israel and Egypt to allow aid in. That’s why less aid came in when they weren’t in power idk if you’re arguing that’s a coincidence or?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I forgot you’re doing the ramble strat where you don’t argue anything and just make random statements.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

The Biden aid pier (built for an op)? The airdropped moldy food that landed on people and killed them? What a kind man he was, truly.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

So I’m not sure how else to tell you that the person who moved the capital to Jerusalem and emboldened the West Bank settlers should probably be kept away from US foreign policy at all costs

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Not random, just refusing to glaze

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Please ask yourself how the food that is literally vacuum-sealed and sometimes needs water added would ever develop mold

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Anonymous #1 3w

Bro’s acting like the food served in the US has never been contaminated at the factory 😭

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Anonymous #1 3w

Erm that is a random aside and you are rambling now

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

No it actually is random you never anything of substance. I guess it’s not glazing but it’s also not helping so idk.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I assumed it would be consistent with your train of thought, but I forgot to move the goalposts. Why aren’t you talking about the food the Jordanian military dropped on kids too?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

UN aid is perfect idk what the argument is that the UN and U.S. is purposefully killing people with aid lol? It’s better to have accidents with aid than to have no aid at all.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Isn’t perfect*

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

“Built for an op” as in a military operation? I looked into that and never saw any proof

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Anonymous #1 3w

Erm that’s also random rambling? Were we talking abt Jordan. Please stop poisoning the well #1

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

The food came from Jordan, so yes. We were.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

lol you’re so ass mad when you get called out.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

That’s not even how that fallacy works. There’s no audience for me to influence here

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Your brand of ideology brings it out of me, I admit.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

And the argument is that the us was purposefully killing people by supporting Israel, not by supplying meager “aid” support

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

We rlly haven’t gotten to anything that ideological bc we stuck on very basic things but ok lol.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Wait so why did you bring up the moldy aid idk how that would mean Biden is bad for giving aid? If it wasn’t purposeful, are you arguing it was negligent? Do you expect zero percent of aid to be moldy I feel like if you can go to the store and find moldy bread I’m assuming getting food into an active war zone with zero mold during a war going on for years would be pretty impossible.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Unfortunately I am the audience with nonstop notifs 🫩

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Biden is responsible for the wind and the military kitchens in Jordan, duh

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Anonymous #4 3w

Does muting the post not work for comment threads

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Oh yeah! Thanks I’m running on 2 hours of sleep currently

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

I used it as an example of how it was ineffectual and didn’t actually go very far in terms of creating change.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

You don’t think aid is meaningful?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

So what would you have done instead?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Starvation is still rampant. It doesn’t seem to have done much. Better than nothing, sure. It seemed to me mostly an optics play by the Biden admin. But we’ve established that being better than Trump is a ridiculously low Barr.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Weird if only there was some kind of idk food to aid this hunger. To bad aid isn’t meaningful I guess. True food is optics, I’m sure that’s how hungry Palestinians feel and that’s not your perspective as a privileged virtue signaling westerner.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I just wanted to drill down on that aid point bc that was a great example of how all your points are meaningless. You don’t actually care about mold on aid food you just wanted to virtue signal.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

You decided to quote post me; don’t get upset when I tell you how I feel about things and why. Obviously I’m privileged westerner. I live in the imperial core of the United States. That is probably 99% of this board.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

I’m not upset I’m just letting you know it’s stupid, don’t project your anger onto me. So true it’s like the Roman Empire.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Wait, you agree that America is like the Roman Empire?

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Chat is it “stupid” to talk politics on a politics board?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

No your opinion is stupid not talking about politics. The tactic of pretending like you don’t understand the intent of statements is so weird.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

No I’m making fun how you probably have a very stupid understanding of what an empire is.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Just gonna circle back on my question of how you would have gotten aid to the Palestinians if it was up to you

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Guy who doesn’t understand why you’d ask him to read something from a book: “Your opinion is stupid”

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Anonymous blue__wave 3w

Also I did genuinely misunderstand you initially there but I’m so glad you think I’m weird

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Anonymous #1 3w

He would have stopped Joe Biden from putting mold on the food but also not given food bc that is just helping the optics of god emperor Joe Biden and his woke Roman Empire.

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Anonymous #1 3w

What, if I were the president?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Yes

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

Well when I read a book and I actually understand the book to a point where I agree with it, I’m able to make the argument that is found in the book. If you don’t understand the book enough to make its points why would you agree with it?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

What did you misunderstand?

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Anonymous #1 3w

I mean, the pier wasn’t a bad idea to begin with. I’d’ve just thrown more money at transporting more food, water, fuel, etc over there. Idk for sure tho because I don’t have an entire staff to help me work it out

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

The pier took surprisingly long and then broke because of rough seas that they should have foreseen. That was arguably more for optics than airdropping aid (happy to be proven otherwise though)

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Anonymous #1 3w

I’d’ve thrown money at it and used whatever political strings necessary to alleviate that situation. It’s worked well for previous occupants of the office. Vote for me n I’ll have a more concrete plan for you

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

yeah sorry that sounds like every other politician ngl

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Anonymous #1 3w

What’s your plan, smartass?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 3w

No need to be hostile 💀 I’ve considered this but it’s pretty dangerous and there’s almost no room for error. And you’d make the pilot incredibly vulnerable to any attack if Hamas or another org tries to do something

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Anonymous #1 3w

Best thing I can think of is constant airdrops but use whatever system Israel has for messaging Gazan cell phones (with or without their consent) and drop a ton of flyers ahead of time warning people to clear a certain area. Make sure it’s a low wind day and/or there’s a large area free of tents and people, and just drop as much aid as possible

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Anonymous #1 3w

Ok that seems reasonable, they should’ve done that or something similar

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