Anonymous #1 19h

what about the labor of soldiers, cops, firefighters, EMS, public servants and elected officials?

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Anonymous #1 19h

do you think people should have a right to own and hoard vital resources like freshwater reserves/deposits, etc?

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Anonymous #2 19h

I’d say someone who decided to not pay their taxes loses any entitlement to those services.

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Anonymous #2 19h

Do I think they have a right? I would not say that they have an unalienable right to those actions. If someone bigger, stronger, smarter came by and usurped their position, that’s fair game. If they’re strong enough to do it, also fair game

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Anonymous #1 18h

I have a right to a trial by a jury of my peers, and to due process of law. So that’s a load of horse shit.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 18h

Jurors get paid. So they are receiving compensation from the taxpayers(you) for their labor

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Anonymous #1 18h

Whether I pay taxes or not has exactly zero bearing on my rights to a jury trial and due process of law.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 18h

And I think that’s a flaw of the system

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Anonymous #5 18h

So #1, you are stupid.

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Anonymous #4 18h

Furthermore, it is pragmatic to provide basics for those who cannot provide them for themselves. How many thousands of Einsteins have starved in the gutter? Giving people the basics allows them to create opportunity and make their way in the world.

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Anonymous #5 18h

Making it so that you can go to the store and get 5 gallons of water is. So unless you’re gonna go to a fresh spring purify the water of any bacteria, and haul it back so you can shower, drink, and flush with it, yes, it requires human intervention

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Anonymous #1 18h

Well that’s self-evidently false so what you claim to think doesn’t really factor into it for sensible folks does it?

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Anonymous #5 18h

There is no thing such as “clean drinking” water naturally, bc water exists in nature. Please drink so spring water and see what happens(hint hint, you shit yourself)

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Anonymous #6 18h

He was gonna do that anyway, so clearly the water had no effect

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Anonymous #6 17h

not once in years of camping and backpacking and drinking from springs did i ever fall ill. how tf do you think humanity survived before water purification? put on your thinking cap and stop talking out of your ass

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Anonymous #1 17h

i'm not asking what you'd say. you said no one has a right to others' labor but we've listed several examples. people clearly do have rights to others' labor

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Anonymous #1 17h

oh okay, so "might makes right". you're just a neanderthal. explains a lot

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Anonymous #1 17h

how do you feel about tax avoidance? (not tax evasion)

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Anonymous #2 17h

Unpatriotic and morally reprehensible. Especially considering the people that do it the most are the people with more money than they could spend in a lifetime. I think there should be 99% tax on all income over 1 billion and we should treat the uber wealthy tax evaders like china would

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Anonymous #2 16h

That’s an insult to some Neanderthals tbh.

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Anonymous #2 16h

It does, is that right? I don’t think so. But it is

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Anonymous #7 16h

The government should be forced to provide it. Public drinking water should be a must. And not be forced to by bottled water everytime you go out if you didn’t have your own

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Anonymous #2 16h

And just bc you’re fine, doesn’t mean you’re not getting sick. Nor does that account for everyone else, survivors bias isn’t knowledge

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Anonymous #10 15h

2/2 that provide clean and drinkable water. But how you go about that in the mountains of Alaska will be different than the deserts of Arizona. Clean drinking water is more of a priority target/goal than it is a “right”.

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Anonymous #2 15h

This isn’t any less stupid than the republicans who drink raw milk now

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Anonymous #4 15h

Something being necessary to exercise a right doesn’t automatically make that thing a right. One cannot speak freely if their kidneys fail. Does that mean they have a right to your kidney? Do you have a duty to donate your extra kidney?

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Anonymous #4 15h

How many Einsteins have died of organ failure?

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Anonymous #6 15h

The question was “does everyone have a right to clean drinking water”. The answer is yes they do. someone responded “no one has a right to anyones labor”. I responded to them. Semantics change nothing: everyone has a right to clean water— to argue otherwise because “FrEe LabOR” is asinine. Spring water is in fact drinking water. The question is not referring to pathogens— it is referring to polluted water and always has been. We have a right to unpolluted clean drinking water.

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Anonymous #1 15h

#1 you said no one has a right to clean drinking water because no one has a right to anyones labor. The question has always referred to polluted water. Unpolluted water can purified by individuals while polluted water is much harder to do so. We have a right to unpolluted and CLEAN water. Purify it yourself but we have a right to drink non-toxic water.

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Anonymous #5 15h

How do you usually get your spring water? Do you stroll to the spring in your backyard and dip a glass in? Or does the labor of others help deliver it to your hand?

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Anonymous #11 14h

Holy fucking strawman They’re saying feed your neighbor, not give them a goddamn kidney

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Anonymous #11 14h

Theres a secret third option here: boiling your own water 💀

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Anonymous #11 14h

Which mind you, even with me paying for “safe” water in my tap, i still have to frequently boil it because of the data center in my backyard. But yes. Continue to argue that clean water isnt a human right 💀

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Anonymous #5 14h

Your tap? So your water is delivered to you via a plumbing system others labored to create?

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Anonymous #11 14h

Yes? This point is so asinine 😭 the point is that it is a human right. I pay for a service and hardly receive it.

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Anonymous #5 14h

Also, boiling water doesn’t typically remove chemical impurities. If your water is polluted, you’re not doing anything by boiling it.

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Anonymous #11 14h

Yes.. which is something i said above 5 comments above.

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Anonymous #12 14h

What’s the principled difference?

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Anonymous #5 14h

The argument is that yes water is right, clean water is labor intensive and still should be provided. Bc if it’s not, then people die. They die bc they can’t get clean water and they die bc they have to use what free water they have access to, which is usually natural water and boiling it isn’t enough to clear pathogens or toxins or anything else in it. Even tap water isn’t enough, POTABLE water is what everyone needs, which is hard to produce, but can be done with federal money and labor.

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Anonymous #6 14h

If the only goal is to reduce deaths, we should ban alcohol and set the national speed limit to 5mph.

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Anonymous #11 14h

That is a stupid argument

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Anonymous #7 14h

Glad we agree

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Anonymous #11 10h

People who donate kidneys already do so altruistically. Lots of people are organ donors after they die. The kidney supply is already pretty good - the food supply is not.

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Anonymous #4 10h

And you know what? You do have the right to your kidney. It’s part of your right to bodily autonomy.

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Anonymous #11 7h

That’s not the ONLY GOAL Jesus fucking Christ, also STUPID, bc the deaths from non potable water is SO much larger than the deaths from alcohol. We know that, bc so many people are alive now. There is great misconception about water and its impact on life. It’s not that it’s a “right” it’s that it’s a necessity! And in the modern era, with our money and technology, why is it a problem to have potable water for free everywhere? It’s not! Just bc it’s not natural doesn’t mean anything, and just bc

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Anonymous #6 7h

Theres labor involved doesn’t mean anything. It’s water, and people should be able to have access to it no matter what. In another note, alcohol is not free, it is not easily accessible, there’s age limits and it’s something that should cost money. You can also make it for yourself, potable water is not so easy, especially bc you need certain materials and chemicals and processes that many people do not have the time or the access to. Which is why people should have it.

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Anonymous #1 2h

Ok so you’re ideologically inconsistent, got it.

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