Anonymous #1 20w

Try hauling 200 lbs on a bike and let me know how morally superior you feel then

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Anonymous OP 20w

See I don’t do that, I have a panier bag, but I think my rear rack can only hold 50 pounds or something. That lets me hold everything I need but unfortunately not enough for someone else to sit on there.

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Anonymous OP 20w

Okay I will

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Anonymous #1 20w

I don't think thats morality, I think it's just denying utility.

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Anonymous OP 20w

Like it might work or be worthwhile for people who only ever need to carry 50 lbs worth of shit but even then I don't think I would want to carry a full backpacking load biking everywhere

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Anonymous OP 20w

Is a joke, most of the time I’d act superior is when I’m forced to take the lane since it’s too dangerous to ride on the shoulder. I do roll through local stop signs since stopping/starting a bike takes hella energy/time and is dangerous! No more than most cars do though.

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Anonymous OP 20w

why not

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Anonymous #2 20w

Biking even 10 miles with a 50 lb bag is gonna take an hour and hundreds of calories, can drive that same distance with 500 lbs in 10 minutes and no caloric deficit.

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Anonymous OP 20w

I own a car and use a car when I need to. But to go to the gym, to university, or to restaurants / just to go out, I bike. You don’t need to carry 50 pounds of stuff 99% of times, if you live close to a grocery store. I agree you can’t do a monthly Costco haul on a bike which is a pretty American thing to do ig

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Anonymous #2 20w

I'm sure its a good method of losing weight or getting cardio in but I'm not really strapped for either of those

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Anonymous OP 20w

Right.. that’s the benefit right, I like biking everywhere since it’s exercise. Biking promotes health, reduces traffic, 0 emissions. I typically pack light, since it feels better.

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Anonymous #1 20w

Yeah, I never denied that, it just seems like a really shitty and inconvenient way to get cardio or that exercise in. There's no tangible gain, in fact there's a measurable loss in efficiency and safety I get by doing this. Mountain biking in comparison at least utilizes trails where motorized vehicles aren't permitted, adding safety, and gets you to a cool view faster than walking, adding efficiency.

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Anonymous OP 20w

Biking does that too, the tangible gain is no parking, biking is just so much better for mental health since you’re outside, in well-designed cities or trails it can be faster than traffic, It’s way cheaper than driving, I understand my city way better on a bike

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Anonymous #1 20w

No parking isn't a gain, its a detriment. I have to either bring my bike with me or chain it to a pole, or it gets stolen.

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Anonymous #1 20w

Meanwhile I can bring my car, put it in a free public parking lot, and the lot attendant watches it while I'm gone.

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Anonymous #1 20w

Also my body isn't as mechanically efficient as an engine, and generally food isn't as cheap per calorie as gas, meaning it is actually more expensive to fuel my body as a vehicle of transport than to fuel my car, even though gas prices are high.

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Anonymous OP 20w

It’s a gain, you can park your bike anywhere :) Free parking in city centers is awful for cities, it causes traffic, encourages driving, and parking takes space. But yeah really *my* biggest benefit is community. - I wave at all the bikers I see - I am more sporadic and see signs for festivals when I go through downtown on a bike, instead of the highways on a car.

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Anonymous OP 20w

Actually, your body is way more mechanically efficient than gasoline!!! Biking is infinitely more efficient than driving. In fact velomobiles (weird bikes) are the most efficient form of land transit ever! More efficient than anything nature or people have created.

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Anonymous #1 20w

Idk if you've ever driven somewhere that biking is popular, but you guys cause a lot more traffic than free parking lots could ever hope to

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Anonymous #1 20w

Birds using heat thermals or sea turtles following currents are more efficient but yeah Not land transit

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Anonymous #1 20w

I can't ever hope to travel 100 miles in a day carrying 1000 lbs, my car can do it no problem for 100k calories of gas. Simply not true that the human body is on par with efficiency

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Anonymous #1 20w

Meanwhile to ever even eat 100k edible calories would cost me probably minimum $100 and a long time in cooking, and my car only needs $12 and a minute or two at the station

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Anonymous #1 20w

I guess I should clarify that when I say efficiency in this context, I'm talking about a metric of (weight carried*distance traveled)/(time spent*calories spent)

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Anonymous OP 20w

Bicycles are the most mechanically efficient, yes obviously gasoline is very energy dense . One gallon of gas contains around 31,000 calories. Obviously you would not bicycle 100 miles in a day unless you were doing a biking race like a triathalon or a bikepacking trip. You would use a train or bus for anything over like 3-5 miles, obviously. Why ask these silly questions

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Anonymous #1 20w

I would use a car for anything that's on public roads within 1000 miles, bike for mountains, train for 1000+ miles

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Anonymous OP 20w

Tram are great for .5 to 5 mile Subway are great for 2-20 mile Commuter train are great for 10-50 mile Regional rail are great for 30-200 mile High speed trains are great for 150-600 mile

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Anonymous OP 20w

Although in the winter it's gonna be cross country skis or snowmobiles for mountains instead

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Anonymous OP 20w

I live in Texas unfortunately so no skiing for me Or mountains in general And yes biking in Texas sucks, not just bc of the heat but because of lack of infrastructure mostly.

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Anonymous #1 20w

Not necessarily, active arena in frisco has a ski simulator.

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Anonymous OP 20w

Yeah I mean I could ski in Texas if I wanted to Or drive up to Colorado as many people do But I don’t … 99% of my trips are in my city lol. Like I said, I have a car, I just bike or take transit whenever it’s even relatively convenient cuz of the aforementioned benefits

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Anonymous #1 20w

I can't imagine living without driving every day, what do you even do?

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Anonymous #1 20w

Like does your time seriously consist of staying in the same 3 mile radius for 99% of the time? I genuinely don't think I could live like that

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