Anonymous #2 2d

It can breathe inside the moms belly. The only difference between it inside or out is a layer of skin lol

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Anonymous OP 2d

so it is sucking in lungfuls of air from the womb? is that it?

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Anonymous OP 2d

also i like how you ignored the 2nd part. really shows me how "right" you are!

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Anonymous #3 2d

Who’s to determine that. We aren’t God

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Anonymous OP 2d

The family of the child, no different than the family of a person in a coma determining what the best path would be. You don’t need god like powers to understand that suffering is bad and that sometimes difficult decisions need to be made to prevent unnecessary suffering.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Forced birth is a very blunt tool if our goal is to create life that is more joy than suffering, or at least not predominately suffering. A case by case method (pro choice) that can account for the nuances of real life is a much better approach.

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Anonymous #3 2d

If they don’t want to give the child a chance at life then they aren’t family. Family would want their baby alive not dead. Not all blood is family

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Anonymous OP 2d

That’s just not true, we can look around at our fellow humans and see that this isn’t true. To many of us it is an act of mercy to end the life of a fetus if the alternative is a life where a person spends all their days stuck in a machine and in pain. The trade off is clearly different for different people, which is why some ability to have choice is essential

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Anonymous #3 2d

The idea that every soul/baby is sacred and holy above all other things is a religious idea, not a human truth

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Anonymous #3 2d

Nope. If you don’t think every soul and baby is sacred and holy then you need help

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Anonymous OP 2d

are you religious? are you a man?

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Anonymous #2 2d

I’m a man

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Anonymous #2 2d

Wby?

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Anonymous OP 2d

im a woman. you have no authority to be in this conversation, i pray the lord puts you in your place.

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Anonymous #2 2d

Yes I do. It literally takes two to tango. Do you think women can get pregnant without the man?

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Anonymous OP 2d

They do not breathe inside the womb🤣🤣?? This is exactly why a MAN doesn’t have any place in discussing women’s health. Babies get oxygen from the mother’s bloodstream entering the placenta M O R O N.

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Anonymous OP 2d

does the man carry the fetus in their body? is it his health at risk? is it him that experiences all the physical and mental changes of abortion? no, it's not. you can have an opinion, sure, but it isn't up to or about you. it takes two to tango but it's only the woman the fetus is growing in.

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Anonymous #2 2d

*physical and mental changes of pregnancy, excuse me.

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Anonymous OP 2d

Phrasing an opinion as if it’s objectively true doesn’t make it so. Holy and sacred are religious words, they mean nothing to many of us.

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Anonymous #2 2d

I do wanna push back on this idea that men have no place in this conversation. It is absolutely true that the bodily risk, burden, physical pain, social stigma…etc are all things that the woman has to deal with while a man usually doesn’t. However I think the debate about what constitutes a life worth living or when it’s appropriate to end a life should involve both people who had a hand in creating the life. I think we can have these conversations and still grant women bodily autonomy

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Anonymous #3 2d

i completely disagree. they are not affected by abortion laws. this isn't their body. i'm tired of conversations about a WOMANS right to bodily autonomy always involving or evolving around men. they can have an opinion, for example if their gf is after an abortion. they can give their two cents. but ultimately it is not up to them and neither is this. not everything needs to involve men, and i'm tired of even my right to decide things about my body having to include them.

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Anonymous #3 2d

Facts cause they gonna be the first begging us for child support

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you don't know the emotional damage to having to carry a fetus in your womb for nine months. or having to go through labor. or anything. you don't get to decide for other people what they do with their bodies. i'm sorry you felt that way, but that isn't abortion, is it? those are children? already born?

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Anonymous #2 2d

Maybe I should be more clear about what I mean; I believe that the final decision should be the woman’s. Because yes, abortion laws don’t affect men’s bodies. However we all have very strong beliefs about how our offspring should live or die and thats valid. I think in a healthy relationship there should always be a discussion between the people who conceived the child. To say that men have no part in the conversation is to sort of hand wave away a pretty large moral debate about-

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Anonymous #3 2d

What it means to live or die

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Anonymous OP 2d

Maaaan stfu, people who duck paying child support are pieces of garbage, it’s the least a non father father can do

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Anonymous #3 2d

they can talk abt it with their partner. i'm not against that. but these conversations now? about if it's "right or wrong"? it doesn't involve them. not everything does. i'm sick of everything about being a woman having to revolve around a man. can they at least sit back long enough for laws to actually be changed and put into place?

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Anonymous #2 2d

I mean it does, the child couldn’t be created without them. It’s a conversation about three people, two of which can make decisions about the third. I agree that the man shouldn’t have the final say, but he should absolutely be part of the conversation

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Anonymous #3 2d

there are men saying and deciding (actively, that's who is making these decisions) that women shouldn't get this right. i'm TIRED of having to refer to them. i'm TIRED of everything in my existence as a woman constantly having to involve or come down to a man. i am a human being and if i decide i don't want to grow another human being in my uterus (for whatever reason) why should i not have the right to terminate it? because men don't think i do.

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Anonymous #3 2d

but are they carrying the fetus? are they facing the physical and emotional affects of carrying the fetus? yes he should be in the conversation about HIS fetus that they made together. not EVERY FETUS. oh my god

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Anonymous #2 2d

Again I’m not defending pro life people, wanna be really clear on that. In the end the decision is the woman’s to make (or should be in my opinion). I’m saying that you can’t decide to grow a child yourself, you have to do that with someone. As such I think the debate about whether to end that life or not, that life that took two to create, should involve both parties.

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Anonymous #3 2d

I already said they don’t have to take the risks that a woman does, I completely agree on that.

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Anonymous #3 2d

so you're saying what i'm saying but you're thinking as if abortion is legal and i'm saying men shouldn't be the ones deciding if it should be legal. ok. thanks for clearing that up.

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