Anonymous #1 4w

(In a like woke ironic way)

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Anonymous #1 4w

Funny how you guys will simp for Mangione and still think its ideologically consistent to be anti 2A

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Anonymous #2 4w

Who's telling you that you cannot do this?

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Anonymous OP 4w

Funny how you smoothbrained cousinfuckers will acknowledge the need for citizens weapon restrictions and then post dumb shit like this.

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Anonymous OP 4w

The conservative playbook is really to further capitalism to the point where insurance companies are killing people for profit and our democracy is turning to fascism, then you get to act all smug when liberals kill insurance executives in response, or guns become useful for the first time since 1776 because we’ll need them to fend off a fascist ethnic cleansing. Functional social democracies don’t need guns to be safe or freely democratic

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Anonymous #2 4w

I don't acknowledge your supposed need for government intervention in my rights, all gun laws are infringements

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Anonymous #1 4w

Your issue is trusting the government

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Anonymous OP 4w

Governments made up of the people and beholden to their people can be trusted. When conservatives decide that our government should be run by corporations then it can’t be trusted. Weird coincidence how gun manufacturers are so cozy with those who wish to de democratize our country huh? Almost like there’s profit to be made

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Anonymous #1 4w

So you believe the current US government is not only made up of the people and beholden to the people, but can be trusted? Bold claim.

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Anonymous #1 4w

But don’t worry, corporations may control our government but look! We have guns! We get to feel like we can stand up to that government of bezos’s and musk’s if we ever want to! For now we’ll just settle with it being entirely dysfunctional and only catering to the needs of the rich. But hey we got our gun rights so it’s all cool, who gives af about all the kids who die bc of our gun problems

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Anonymous OP 4w

Love when you gotta misrepresent peoples arguments bc you don’t have one of your own. I clearly don’t believe we have a trustworthy government made up of the people, read the next sentence

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yes, you do.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Do you know what a minigun is?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ahhh, never mind I think I get it now. You simultaneously don't trust the government and trust the government.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I don’t trust this government at all; some governments are reasonably trustworthy but this one isn’t. Nuance. Please think about who profits from a government that is untrustworthy and who profits from the storytelling that guns are the solution to this lack of trust in 2026

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Anonymous OP 4w

I trust the government a hell of a lot more than I trust you.

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Anonymous #2 4w

It's a rotary barrel autoloader rifle that feeds from a belt, typically full auto. Not only were they produced pre 86, meaning you can legally own the original factory M134, but you can also build a semi auto version out of a combination of 3d printed parts and AR15 parts (called the M1337).

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Anonymous #2 4w

The issue with mounting that on your truck isn't legality either, it's that it would be stolen since it's typically worth 6 figures.

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Anonymous OP 4w

So it is your opinion that it is currently legal in the U.S. for a citizen to have a functional mounted minigun on their civilian automobile?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ok, so you know that government is not always trustworthy. The question becomes, what can be done to keep the power of governance in the hands of the people? Democracy would come to a lot of people's minds, but I'd beg the question, was it not democracy that elected Hitler? Was it not democracy that got us into today's situation of untrustworthy governance?

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Anonymous #2 4w

At least under federal law, I'm sure there are some communist states who take issue with that.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Social democracy where corporate interests are kept out of elections. In both fascist Germany and fascist itally, coalitions of the nations top business interests got together to throw unimaginable sums of money behind the campaigns of Hitler and Mussolini. And to intimidate dissidents, limit poll access…etc.

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Anonymous #1 4w

No different than today, we all know how cozy today’s tech oligarchs are with the trump admin. How badly they wanted him to get elected, to remove worker protections and environmental protections…etc.

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Anonymous #1 4w

It may be an easy out to blame all of the Nazis wrongdoing on bad actors in big business, however the German people still elected them. If democracy doesn't have the same ability as force to deter these bad actors, then it should be obvious why we need to keep force in the hands of the people.

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Anonymous OP 4w

That doesn’t logically track at all. Having elections isn’t the same as having direct democracy that represents the wills of a people. Why do you think out group blaming of Jews worked so well? Because those corporations were strangling the working class and making them desperate, then they funded a campaign that defunded education and gave them someone to blame. Sound familiar?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Now that is a trend we’ve seen over and over again. In comparison, what makes you think guns will be the thing that keeps our democracy healthy? Have they done that so far? Do we have any reason to think a popular revolution would work against the us military considering there’s no historical precedent for such a thing being successful?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Well for one, there are a ridiculous number of historical precedents that would suggest the US military does not do well against unconventional forces when it doesn't have a massive will to fight (Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc).

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Anonymous #1 4w

For two, I can point to examples where the use of guns by civilians has kept our democracy healthy (Battle of Athens is one off the top of my head)

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Anonymous #1 4w

Lastly, if democracy isn't able to beat propaganda, but force is, then force is more effective at preserving the will of the people.

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Anonymous OP 4w

So you think there are no restrictions nor necessary steps the average citizen would be required to own and mount a machine gun in the U.S. Your position is that the singular barrier/obstacle between that plan and its success is the acquisition of the weapon itself?

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Anonymous OP 4w

Next question, do you know what “Communist” means?

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Anonymous #2 4w

Communism is when the government does stuff that I don't personally support

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Anonymous #2 4w

Also yes, the acquisition as you put it, or under NFA terms the transfer, is the hard part of obtaining an actual machine gun. Not that the whole machine gun vs semi auto matters too much these days anyways, considering you can just put an FRT on there and hardly anyone can tell the difference.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Not really comparable. Vietnam was a foreign conflict that didnt really need to involve us. We were on enemy territory fighting an enemy who wanted to win more than we did. But the U.S. military fighting for survival on the territory they know better than anything else? Very different

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Anonymous #1 4w

You're right. It would be very different. One of the notable ways it would be is that they could not indiscriminately bomb the US without crippling their own manufacturing capacity for the war effort.

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Anonymous OP 4w

The battle of Athens is an outlier, there’s no modern situation where civilians could wage war on the government and have it end that way

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Anonymous OP 4w

lol no

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Anonymous #1 4w

Fighting inside of the US puts the military in a situation where they can chose between victory through scorched Earth, or loss. To quote our founders, "Give me liberty or give me death".

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Anonymous OP 4w

Democracy isn’t able to maintain itself under unfettered capitalism. The motivations of this system dictate that the ruling class will squeeze workers and direct their anger to whoever is convenient; Jews in Germany and immigrants here. The solution is limits on the power of corporations and the wealthy, not giving everyone guns.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Because look at what everyone having guns has done for our country. Are our oligarchs scared to walk around to the point where they give workers a liveable wage? No. Are our lawmakers scared enough to be honest? To not bow to the needs of our corporations? No. Are our citizens safe to walk down the street without fear of being shot to death? No. Our firearms are a security blanket. They keep us feeling like we have power while we quietly give up more and more of it

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ahhh yes. The solution to corruption in governance is to take away power from the people.

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Anonymous OP 4w

You think the U.S. military would surrender for fear of killing citizens? Or destroying our environment or infrastructure?

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Anonymous OP 4w

If you think your power is from a gun, I have bad news for you.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Being safe from fear is a ridiculous concept. Emotions aren't unsafe.

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Anonymous OP 4w

We have the ability to do precise strikes. Just because we bomb schools abroad doesn’t mean that we’re unable to know what our targets are if we care enough to be exact

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Anonymous #1 4w

No, I think they could not sustain a war effort without an industrial base.

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s true for any war, that’s why the people with a monopoly on meaningful force (military force vs civilians with guns) will protect essential manufacturing

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Anonymous #2 4w

I've seen how far voting and advocacy go

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Anonymous OP 4w

Being safe from random shootings isn’t ridiculous at all. Go walk around in Europe, people don’t need guns because they aren’t worried about being shot all the time. Very obviously achievable

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes but most wars America is fighting aren't fought in even the same continent as its industrial base. We haven't seen even this same type of fighting at scale since the Civil War, with the differences modern technology makes on the battlefield it's completely unprecedented.

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Anonymous #1 4w

South Africa has strict gun laws and the highest per capita gun homicide rate in the world.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Who said anything about voting? If you think power comes from guns or votes, you’re dumber than I thought.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Where do you think it comes from then?

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Anonymous OP 4w

💰

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Anonymous #2 4w

Money is only more powerful than a gun in the way that it can buy you a bigger gun

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Anonymous OP 4w

That will never be true.

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