Anonymous #1 12w

2024

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Anonymous #1 12w

Nobody had any control, which was part of the problem. Biden was determined to run for a second term, so we had Kamala selected by default instead of a competitive primary

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Anonymous #2 12w

Yeah my gripe is w/Biden for not stepping aside soon enough.m

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Anonymous #1 12w

enough**

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

She really didn’t, but she was better than trump on d*mn near everything and we SHOULD’VE wanted trump out of our lives after 10 years. Too much to ask for apparently

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Anonymous #1 12w

What should she have done differently?

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

She probably should’ve criticized israeli govt more

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Anonymous #1 12w

Yeah that would’ve done a ton for sure.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

She should have differentiated herself more from a very unpopular president instead of just saying well I’m a woman and I’d put a Republican in the cabinet

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Anonymous #1 12w

The I/P issue is just a political black hole for anti American people to suck all of the air out of the room while dipshits eat it up. The thing they truly want is Israel to be gone which is both electorally and politically not going to happen.

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Anonymous #2 12w

How tf do you differentiate yourself from the admin you’re apart of? If that’s your summary of her stances then you weren’t paying attention idk what to say.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Being pro Israel is rapidly becoming an unpopular opinion

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Say well I don’t really support some of the things Biden did but he was the president so it was his call. I tried to influence him in these ways and this is what I would have done differently. But instead she said she wouldn’t have done anything different from Biden if she was president. Extremely poor political judgment given how unpopular he was

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Anonymous #2 12w

You’re loading the word “sympathy” so much. That can mean anything from we should do more aid, to Israel and all Jews should die.

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Anonymous #2 12w

It’s kinda a tough political situation when you’re asked to bad mouth the political admin you’re currently apart of that is actively trying to push an agenda.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Across different polls with different wording, spring Israel is broadly unpopular

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

It’s really not that tough, and if you can’t forge your own distinct path and make that “tough” decision to separate yourself from an unpopular president, then maybe I can’t trust you to make actual tough decisions

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Anonymous #2 12w

Idk what to say polling can tell you what the question is asking. This isn’t showing any support for any specific policy.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Specific policy

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Anonymous #2 12w

So you think for people to trust her she has to bad mouth the admin she's willing apart of? Somehow that makes her look less hypocritical? You don't maybe that would kill any policy that Biden was trying to push if his own vp was killing his support? This is an unserious criticism. Not only should she have done all of that but she should've known without our retrospect.

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Anonymous #2 12w

What’s the poll title?

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Or even just call it what it is for gods sake

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Anonymous #2 12w

Again what’s the poll?

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Biden was massively unpopular. So unpopular that he dropped out. And she did nothing to separate herself from him. She was his cheerleader saying she wouldn’t do anything different than he did. And at that point the Biden administration wasn’t going to pass anything else anyway, so who cares about what the admin was trying to push

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Anonymous #2 12w

This from 2024 idk when your poll was or who it’s from

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

It says right there. First was Gallup, second Pew, third and fourth Quinnipiac

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Anonymous #2 12w

And mine is from pew research

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Anonymous #2 12w

You don’t care that pushed for Gaza ceasefire. That’s rlly what we’re going with?

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Anonymous #2 12w

Here’s more

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Anonymous #2 12w

The quinnjiac poll seems to be pretty recent that’s probably why you’re seeing that.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Shut up you Islamaphobic weirdo

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Anonymous vintage_trampler 12w

lol

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Anonymous vintage_trampler 12w

No argument just posting random cringe

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Not about to try reasoning with someone who supports crimes against humanity. Court dismissed, into the leopard cage!

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Anonymous vintage_trampler 12w

Bailiff, carry this man on your shoulders and swing him around until he is very uncomfortable

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Anonymous vintage_trampler 12w

I 100% justified my opinion more than anyone on here. Ig it’s easier to live in world where you can never talk to people you disagree with.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Do you want to also spend two weeks in the room with two sick people?

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Anonymous #2 12w

Well the primary was already over by that point from my memory in which maybe they should have held another primary, but I could only imagine how much of a mess that would of been and I don’t think they legally could hold another primary in such short time and also that goes in accordance to election law. I might be misunderstanding tho

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Anonymous vintage_trampler 12w

If you want to post random memes there’s other pages for that. I just think the weird not engaging in convos while your larping like you are is cringe. You’re willing to call me Islam phobic but you’ll never have an actual about it. That should be pretty telling that probably can justify the random things you say.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Civil rights were not very popular in the 1960s and yet LBJ had the moral clarity to sign the CRA and VRA before they were broadly popular. No such clarity among centrist Dems, who only run on platforms that have been focus grouped to death

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

It was obvious on October 8th what Israel would turn this into. There were protests that day in solidarity with Palestinians. My soon to be congresswoman attended one and still gets hate from centrists in the big 26 despite the fact that she was largely proven right

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Anonymous #2 12w

If it was popular how do you think it passed, why did LBJ have another term afterwards? Notice how we’ve moved the goal to it wasn’t popular to now they should’ve just done it regardless?

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Anonymous #2 12w

Cool your congresswomen went to a march idk what that has to do with anything.

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Anonymous #4 12w

You’re broadly correct, except for the fact that the “primary” was anything but an actual primary, it was a formality

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Anonymous #2 12w

Wait who’s your soon to be congresswoman?

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

The point is that people like my congresswoman knew that supporting Israel is a losing proposition both morally and electorally on October 8, whereas Biden, Kamala, and the centrists STILL refuse to see that fact and were asleep at the wheel, too focused on what polling and focus groups said instead of taking the winning position of opposing Israel’s genocide.

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Anonymous #2 12w

How are you supposed to know what the winning position without polling? I like how we went to quoting polls when they agreed with us to now saying focusing on polling is bad. If I had to guess you live in a super safe blue state right?

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

The polls I cited prove that supporting Israel is currently unpopular. That supporting Israel was becoming more and more unpopular by the day in 2024. The problem was Kamala looking at your poll and seeing “division” and deciding to court the 37% that said that Biden was “balanced” or “supporting Palestinians too much”. The winning proposition would have been to take moral leadership against genocide, and court the 62% at the time who thought we were “supporting Israel too much” or were unsure

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

Darializa Avila Chevalier. And yes, New York is true blue and is taking the winning electoral and moral positions over the kicking and screaming of centrist blue dogs like yourself.

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Anonymous #2 12w

That’s cool a congresswomen can take a hardline position in the safest blue area after Trump and Israel have destroyed their image here. That’s super brave of her but national politics is different you’re not appealing to the most progressive people.

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Anonymous #2 12w

The problem is your highest propensity voters (old people) are the most supportive of Israel. You’re trying to live two world at once saying it was politically pragmatic but even if it wasn't they should've done it anyway, just pick one. That 62% wasn’t there at that time. Time moves in one direction just bc something is there now doesn't mean it was then.

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Anonymous blue__wave 12w

A president is supposed to be a leader, not a follower of the polls. Coming out and saying Israel is committing a genocide and we won’t support it anymore would have lost her at most 37% of voters, while winning her anywhere from 22-62% of voters. While also standing on the right side of history and bringing out new voters and expanding the party instead of depending on dying boomers. I really don’t get why this is so hard for centrists like you to get through your thick fucking skulls

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Anonymous #2 12w

We’re back to polls being bad ok. That’s not what that means lol you’re assuming so much by saying that lol. 22-62% lmao why are you using the poll numbers like that? True if Kamala said genocide bad it could have got her anywhere from 22%-100% of all voters. Idk this isn’t a serious convo and you’re very angry about it idk what I can say at this point.

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Anonymous #2 12w

I also don’t know to disprove a counterfactual like that. It’s possible she focused too much on Gaza and she got less votes bc of old people and most people didn’t care about Gaza relative to affordability. On top that she would be undermining the active ceasefire talks.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Just say specifically what’s one claim I made that’s wrong. Just one claim.

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Anonymous #4 12w

yeah some states started early voting in Sep and needed ballots printed before then, I don’t think a proper primary could’ve worked out

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