Anonymous #2 5w

No it won’t in of itself BUT like I said in my comment this is more likely a byproduct of the admin’s attempts to destroy healthcare. Not testing on monkeys is not what will do that tho you have it backwards

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Anonymous #2 5w

Like dgmw I’m all for improving the conditions of lab animals and reducing tests, but eliminating them completely brings up way more problems than it’s worth. E.g: How do we know a medicine works? We test it in mice, rabbits, up to monkeys, then humans. Testing on monkeys, while not ideal obv, gives us the opportunity to see how medicines affect primates, which is far more correlative to human health than mice or rabbits. Without monkeys to test on, the rate of medical advancements will slow

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Anonymous #2 5w

and will probably result in more human death because of the lack of knowledge of effects between the rodent and primate levels

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

especially as they look to gut the endangered species act

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Anonymous #2 5w

The vast majority of animal tests on primates and otherwise including in medical research are unnecessary. To say that discontinuing it will outright “destroy American healthcare” is completely blown out of proportion and also ignores the root of the issue here which is that this was not done for the animals unfortunately but was done as part of the broader dismantling of healthcare in America

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

No I think it precisely exemplifies that this is done in order to dismantle health care

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Anonymous #2 5w

Yes that’s what I’m saying they’re doing this not for the animals but to stop medical research

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

Unnecessary according to who, though? Because according to the FDA, they have been necessary. That’s not an objective statement necessarily but a legally binding one for sure. And one that absolutely impacts how our medicines are tested before mass distribution let alone human testing

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

Like yeah I wholeheartedly agree we should find alternatives. Nevertheless, the importance of testing medicines in primates cannot be understated. People will die without this. At least until we can fully simulate drug delivery, digestion, uptake, half-life, etc

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

Sorry I might be misunderstanding what you’re saying

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Anonymous #2 5w

Yea I’m aware necessary legally but definitely not always necessary for actual research is what I meant. Also this just ends it at the cdc not for products needing approval by the FDA.

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Anonymous _orangutan 5w

And take away protections for our only national forests

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

I’m pretty sure the fda requires it too (although I could be wrong) My mom works in the private sector very closely with the fda. She’s full regulatory reports for like 50 different medications atp, and she’s talked about primate tests numerous times in meetings I’ve overheard

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Anonymous #2 5w

She’s written full reports*

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

Yeah like this all is a major concern too. Personally I’d put it over our medical concerns in importance but I know many people wouldn’t

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Anonymous #2 5w

Yes the fda will still require it so the industry is still going to do it. The cdc’s facilities simply aren’t doing it. And to wrap up lastly cuz im sick and tired my guy i understand animal testing isn’t fully avoidable for medical advancement but I do hope it will be one day and these animals hopefully getting to be free is not the root issue of what’s gonna hurt healthcare so im gonna celebrate them but grieve the bigger picture ofc

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

Ohh oh I see what’s going on now thank you 😅

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

Yeah for the CDC that’s a whole different can of worms, I think they’re mainly testing diseases in animals there not necessarily medicines. That might be a net good in the long run. It’s probably way easier to simulate infection spread in a population than how a medicine works in the body

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Anonymous #2 5w

Yea one of the tests I saw halted was like hiv prevention which like obviously noble cause don’t get me wrong and it’s the thing they’re researching that’s motivating the government to stop the research not wanting to liberate animals BUT I’m still happy they’re not gonna be infecting monkeys with hiv yk?

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Anonymous #2 5w

I don’t think we need to do that to study HIV prevention in humans because there’s plenty of humans who already have hiv

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Anonymous total_liberation 5w

Yeah that whole side of things I def agree with you on. Definitely less of a bad thing if it’s just the cdc cutting this. And a net good for species we’ve tormented too much

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