Anonymous #4 3w

this is why white guys aren’t going to college, I fear

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Anonymous #5 3w

?

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Anonymous #4 3w

it’s ok, I understand. It’s not your fault <3

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Anonymous #5 3w

I was actually hoping to have a serious discussion here, because I can’t even find this article on the essence website. I googled it and I only see an FB post that discusses it and says “read more on essence.com”. I wanted to see the actual data, because I’m pretty sure a similar trend with applicants (not enrollments) started before Trump. The point is that his anti-DEI policies could ironically hurt white men further, and I completely get that

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Anonymous #4 3w

From WaPo

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Anonymous #4 3w

For starters, I think having a conversation about DEI centered around white men is inherently reductive to the loads of other people hurt by these policies, But to address the point I would say that a larger number of young men as a class are pursuing trades and other opportunities as college is less affordable and offers less return than ever. There is an increasing number of people being brought in to work in traditionally male fields from outside the US combined with fewer entry level

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Anonymous #5 3w

fewer entry level opportunities than ever due to industry pressures like AI and a slowing job market overall leading to university education not being worth it for many. The problem is the economics of going to college, not that white guys are being uniquely hurt by some shadowy group of academics or some right wing conspiracy theory.

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Anonymous #7 3w

Holy shit yeah this is Baldwin at UC, the engineering building

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Anonymous #5 3w

Exactly. I agree, it seems like more are pursuing trades. I don’t think the anti-DEI changes have kicked in for this year’s college applicants, so we don’t even see an effect yet. I think the Essence article might be misinterpreting something, but I can’t even find the actual article. WaPo is discussing how the anti-DEI policies will adversely affect men (regardless of race, but also white men in particular)

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Anonymous canesfan 3w

Are we seriously still buying the right wing propaganda that ending AA made things more fair or was ever intended to?? It was a blatantly racist effort that only makes sense as “fair” if you plug your ears and pretend systemic racism doesn’t exist.

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Anonymous #8 3w

Systematic racism doesn’t exist. Don’t get me wrong their are plenty of racist people in power, and this might lead you to call that “systematic” but I think its disingenuous to call the system the problem when it’s that people we have put in charge that are really causing the problems.

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Anonymous #9 3w

I’ve been staying out of the comments of this post, however you legit make no sense. If there is no systematic racism, but plenty of racist people in power who are able to do racist shit unchecked who also control & built the system, how would that not be systemic racism…..

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Anonymous #8 3w

Well the evidence for systemic racism is not as straightforward. For example some studies find that black people are ~25% less likely to be accepted for job apps based on name, but those studies are not consistently replicated. Meanwhile at some universities white Americans are 3-4x less likely to be accepted if they have the same credentials. Either way I don’t think “discrimination” in the other direction is really a good solution to systemic racism. It’s morally wrong and it divides us.

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Anonymous canesfan 3w

Also Some systemic racism is flat out baked into the legislative framework of the country. The patriot act and post-9/11 “”vigilance”” from the FBI and other agencies is still harming brown americans today and has been proven to have directly led to the delay of citizenship for many, especially those with more muslim-sounding names

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Anonymous #10 3w

I mean it does make sense that people from Muslim parts of the world would take longer to investigate, given that is where most foreign terrorism comes from.

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Anonymous canesfan 3w

It’s delayed citizenship by over a decade, and not to mention the fbi? Cia? Getting caught literally baiting young muslim men in america into considering terrorism. This country wants to see people fall, and will stoop to any low to get there.

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Anonymous #10 3w

I would imagine that 10 years is a much longer delay than normal. Also our system is organized to American avoid entrapment because it is not admissible in court. You must understand that 9/11 pretty much dwarfs all other acts of domestic terrorism in the last 100 years, so Islamic extremism is going to be under extra scrutiny, even if the state oversteps into entrapment (and subsequently fails to get and indictment)

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Anonymous canesfan 3w

*in America not *to America

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Anonymous OP 3w

I have not seen someone able to provide one example of something that I would consider “systemic” let me put it this way, whatever example you are thinking of if you remove the racist person or people from the equation and look at strictly the rules, laws, or policies that make up the system and THAT is racist then it would be “systemic”

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Anonymous canesfan 3w

I do quite clearly understand, thank you ever so kindly. And i do also understand that just because something is not admissible in court does not mean that our country will not attempt it. It literally has been attempted, and they were caught in the act. Is it alright to target and manipulate individuals whose only crime is their religion, hoping that they finally cross a line you can punish them for? 9/11 was a terrible event. And the government has failed its people in the aftermath.

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Anonymous #10 3w

I would imagine it’s probably human nature to “test the boundaries”, especially if they bribe they are doing it to protect the country. The systemic part of our system comes in through the legal system, which is designed to limit the worst impulses of prosecutors.

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Anonymous canesfan 3w

*believe not bribe

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Anonymous #9 2w

“If you just take away the racist people that CREATED THE RACIST LAWS, how would that be systemic racism?” Systems are connected and complex. Again lets use the idea of “Merit”. If every single public school doesn’t have access to the same exact opportunities, what exactly is the scale for merit in regards to making it even? If a public High school in Massachusetts is able to provide their students with free ACT prep programs due to the property taxes, VS a rural school in Tennessee not…

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Anonymous OP 2w

Being able to do the same due again to their property taxes not being as high, how is it fair to grade them on the same level? Which brings me to redlining which has forced minorities into neighborhoods with lower property taxes meaning their public schools not having the same resources as families living in more affluent areas. Which begs the question of how can we talk about Merit, if every student nationwide isn’t getting equal opportunities in public school. And demographically, why…..

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Anonymous OP 2w

Does it seem to affect minority students. ( Ahhhh SYSTEMIC RACISM)

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Anonymous OP 2w

While it’s true there are underfunded minority schools it’s not actually true that they receive less funding on average https://www.urban.org/research/publication/racial-disparities-education-finance-going-beyond-equal-revenues Regardless nobody is talking about an adjustment for school funding or SES, AS is a race based intervention and it ends up helping well to do black students anyways. Meaning it’s not only discriminitory but also an ineffective way to address poverty.

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Anonymous canesfan 2w

* to clarify my meaning was that AA primarily helps well to do black/hispanic students rather than disadvantaged black/hispanic students

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Anonymous canesfan 2w

Schools located in areas that have lower property taxes aren’t able to provide the top notch resources for their students vs schools that are located in areas with higher property taxes. That is a simple fact. The children in those districts are disproportionately minority students due to redlining. Im confused what point you’re trying to refute?

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Anonymous canesfan 2w

Idk a nice way to say this but I genuinely can’t tell if you’re racist or just stupid

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