Anonymous #1 4w

i just read it

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Anonymous #2 4w

it *could* be psychology, but also... this is coming from tpusa ou chapter. and then from the person who wrote the paper. which may or may not be the most reliable source, and a game of telephone probably doesnt help

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Anonymous #1 4w

Im a psy major and never really delve into social factors like gender studies until sociology. But also some colleges don’t offer sociology classes so it could be a combination of the 2 courses.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I remember having to write a 15 page paper for Art History… that sucked ass. If she can’t do 650 words she isn’t going to succeed in college.

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Anonymous #9 4w

If she doesn’t try harder she’s cooked as an academic writer 1000%

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Anonymous xi.jinping 4w

And if this paper had to use peer-reviewed sources then the Bible is not peer reviewed so you can’t use it.

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Anonymous #9 4w

Yeah the paper was painful to read and those profs were too nice to her in all honesty

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Anonymous #8 4w

Also when said minority is your professor lmao “How will I get a good grade? Ahh yes, I got it. Let’s be transphobic and submit the assignment to my trans professor”

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Anonymous #9 4w

She could’ve at least cited the Bible in proper APA format 😭 name of translation, verse, etc

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Anonymous #3 4w

Honestly ppl like this need the education the most

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Anonymous #2 4w

I feel like there’s overlap between the two but idk. For reference the article she was supposed to respond to was “Relations Among Gender Typicality, Peer Relations, and Mental Health During Early Adolescence” by Jewell and Brown

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Anonymous #1 4w

You can even see the underlining where Microsoft Word is probably telling her to tighten up the wording (which would reduce word count) 😭 I don’t take all of the suggestions it gives but it seems like she took none of them

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Anonymous xi.jinping 4w

that’s what high school should be for

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Anonymous OP 4w

Thats human development which is psychology. Thats like a first year class tho. They do over lap thats why i took a minor in sociology before changing to political science. but like i said sometimes you do sociology work in psychology its just based on the institution.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Statement from OU

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Anonymous OP 4w

"steps to ensure no academic harm to the student from the graded assignments" "the instructor has been placed on administrative leave" response? dogshit. quality? horseshit. how a student can disregard a rubric before and after an assignment and still be lauded as correct in this scenario is absurd

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Anonymous #3 4w

She shouldn’t have been allowed out of middle school English. But alas, OK is last in education…

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Anonymous OP 4w

so what happens when/if they realize there was no illegal discrimination the grad student just loses her job for a semester bc a student threw a tantrum??

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Anonymous #12 4w

I would hope for back pay and reinstatement (if this person wishes to teach again)

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Anonymous OP 4w

Fucking spineless university administrators

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Anonymous #1 4w

“This student didn’t at all do what the rubric said but since they did it for Jesus that means it could be religious discrimination” I’m so tired of babying American Christians. Yeah, you don’t get to cite the Bible just like Jewish Americans don’t get to cite the Torah. And I guarantee this all wouldn’t be happening if said student was Muslim too. OU is a secular institution

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Anonymous #4 4w

the funny thing is she didnt even cite it correctly 😭😭

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Anonymous #12 4w

LITERALLY AND THE PROFESSOR IS THE ONE WHO GETS SHIT TREATMENT?!?!

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It’s always the NonDenoms lol.

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Anonymous #12 4w

Incorrect citations (I was super tired and had 20 min left) were literally part of the reason I got investigated for plagiarism in HS 💀 she’s lucky she’s not being accused of that too

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Anonymous OP 4w

Actually ridiculous, the teacher didn’t do a damn thing wrong

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Anonymous #10 4w

They can only ever justify their hatred of trans people if they’re somehow the victims. If they weren’t then their hate would be more apparent than it already is So they have to always act like trans people (1% of the US population) are out posing a threat to Christians (73% of the US population)

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Anonymous xi.jinping 4w

Yeah if the university had a problem with the assignment, they could have said something ages ago. Rubrics are available before the assignment is due in like every case imaginable. But “coincidentally” it only becomes a problem when a student fails and then claims it’s due to religious oppression

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Anonymous OP 4w

she couldnt even plagiarize because (i dont think) she used quotes or paraphrasing, she just asserted claims without providing basis

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Anonymous #1 4w

I got a research paper due for a final project and what I’m going to do now is just make shit up and submit it. Then when the professor fails me I’ll claim it’s actually due to me being disabled and watch the university back me up

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Anonymous #14 4w

NEVER MIND THE MOM HAS A LEGAL PRACTICE IN SPRINGFIELD AND THEY LET HER SPEW CRAP ON LOCAL RADIO 😭😭😭

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Anonymous #14 4w

Wait maybe not. This CANT be the same person. Native and on the UM system Women Business Enterprise panel???

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Anonymous #14 4w

J6 defense attorney?

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Anonymous #15 4w

Well she didn’t write 650 words, so that brings her down to a 15/25 assuming everything else is fine. The paper is not clearly written, so I’d dock at least a few points for that, bringing it down to 11/25, assuming everything else is fine.

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Anonymous #15 4w

she got a 0 bc 1) her argument was poorly constructed and she couldnt even properly cite her sources 2) she didnt respond to the paper and its not even evident she read it 3) she couldnt even write 650 words apparently

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Anonymous #15 4w

And she did not provide alternate interpretations to what the article found. Doing that would require at least one quote from the source material. Were you guys not taught this in like 8th grade??

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s her. I found her direct Twitter account and matched it to her website. There might be a reason she specifically feels the need to say she’s “registered” as a Native American even though she looks white

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Anonymous OP 4w

Prompt says “The best reaction papers illustrate that students have read the assigned materials and engaged in critical thinking about some aspect of the article.” So doing that would get her 11/25 max, given the rest of the criteria on word count and clarity, and she didn’t do that

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Anonymous OP 4w

Did you see the rubric, there’s literally nothing about citing any sources. That wasn’t a requirement. There’s no logical reason why she got a 0, it’s because the person who graded her essay was offended by it. That was the feedback was that it was offensive and she needs empathy, so she gave her a 0

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Anonymous OP 4w

You’re literally acknowledging that she shouldn’t have gotten a 0

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Anonymous #15 4w

citing sources is general practice for academia - it shouldnt have to be part of the rubric bc not doing so is plagiarism lmaoo

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Anonymous OP 4w

“Can the reader assess whether the student has read the assigned article?” No, it seems like she didn’t read it. “Are the main ideas and thoughts organized into a coherent discussion?” No, there’s circular reasoning and it’s hard to follow “Is the writing clear enough to follow without multiple re-readings?” No

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Anonymous #15 4w

The rubric also didn’t say that you had to write the paper in English. Should I get a perfect score for writing in Spanish?

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Anonymous OP 4w

How on earth does it seem like she didn’t read the article. She actively responded to it and offered her interpretation on it, she just didn’t agree with it. Her point is pretty clear on where she stands regarding gender norms and stereotypes

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Anonymous #15 4w

ok genius what article did she respond to then it should be clear based off her writing if she responded to it

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Anonymous #12 4w

So no not all papers require empirical evidence, especially if they’re meant to be reflective or responding to an article. If they do then that should be stated in the rubric

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Anonymous broken_smoke_alarm 4w

i can see the thc in every word she smoked a bowl before this

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Anonymous broken_smoke_alarm 4w

Hell I proofread a paper while high yesterday and I did better still

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Anonymous #12 4w

An article on gender norms and stereotypes and whether they’re harmful and one that discusses how women and men are pressured to be masculine and feminine ? Did you not read her response to it? Why do you think she didn’t respond to it

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Anonymous #15 4w

If you’re going to disagree with what the authors infer from the outcomes of the study, at least give one sentence explaining why. She’s implying the authors are “pushing [a] lie” lmao

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Anonymous #15 4w

she brought in outside sources (the bible)

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Anonymous #15 4w

"made us differently from each other on purpose and with a purpose." fucking dreadful writing, adding nothing but words to the word count she still didnt meet

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Anonymous OP 4w

She did an entire essay explaining why

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Anonymous #1 4w

this couldve been one sentence.

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Anonymous #1 4w

and still baseless claims and assertions being made when referencing something

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Anonymous #15 4w

it could be one of any thousand of papers on the topic it was vague and all that she "responded" to could have been gathered from the title and abstract

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Anonymous #1 4w

Holy fuck how did she even get into college with writing like that 😭

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Anonymous #1 4w

So take points off, she was given a 0 because she offended the person grading her essay, and that’s just not right. Proud of her

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Anonymous #4 4w

There’s a post from the OU Tennis account wishing her a happy birthday. Then I understood 💀

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Anonymous #15 4w

random assertion number 7000

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Anonymous #15 4w

belongs in the endless run on punctuationless sentence hall of fame

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Anonymous #15 4w

If you’re responding to an article you still have to cite it bruh. Thats just how sourcing works

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Anonymous #1 4w

literally the article never suggested eliminating gender 😭 I’m deceased

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Anonymous #4 4w

She didn’t even get a 0 for the sources or lack thereof tho, she literally got a 0 for being “offensive” based on the feedback from the transgender person who graded her essay. She very clearly didn’t deserve a 0, that’s insane

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Anonymous #1 4w

That sentence might honestly be fine but man is it wordy

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Anonymous #15 4w

Can you show the picture of the rubric as the TA marked it?

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Anonymous OP 4w

Instructor**

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Anonymous #15 4w

same single thing being said eight different ways for more than half of this page

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Anonymous #1 4w

"on purpose and for a purpose" and she didnt even meet the word count 💀

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Anonymous #15 4w

If you don’t cite sources you usually automatically get a 0 by virtue of that being how university works. Some of us are grown up and don’t need to be told this. Even if she had done everything right but forgot to cite sources the 0 would still be justified because that would be literal plagerism. You are literally defending not crediting people

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Anonymous #4 4w

Fr as I mentioned before, this could have gotten her in front of the academic integrity board 💀 she’s lucky she was simply given a 0 for this assignment

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah like her paper gets a zero by virtue of committing plagerism. Forget everything else, that factor alone is enough to warrant failing her. But people like #15 aren’t adults and don’t realize that plagerism is illegal and actually a big deal in academia

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Anonymous #4 4w

She cited the Bible and refers to it like 5000 times in the essay. You don’t get a 0 for incorrect citations (which she does have incorrect citations) you get a zero for having NO citations. The prompt was to reflect on the article and apply it to your experience, and she did

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Anonymous #15 4w

if i were a middle school teacher id have a field day here

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Anonymous #15 4w

babes you need a works cited and you have to be specific about where in the bible you are pulling from down to the verse

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Anonymous #15 4w

Yes, you get a zero for not properly citing something too. Not properly citing stuff is still plagiarism. Grow up and stop acting childish

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Anonymous #15 4w

Like this is a very clearly not plagiarized piece lol. The 0 is unjustified. Hope things work out for her and she keeps speaking on things she believes in. Everyone is allowed to have their own set of beliefs and opinions

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Anonymous #15 4w

“Using the methodology of empirical psychology” does not mean using the Bible. And when you cite the Bible, you usually list the translation, book, and verse

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Anonymous #12 4w

Babes that’s not in the rubric, so wdym you need a works cited page 💀

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Anonymous OP 4w

Other instructor’s comment btw

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Anonymous #15 4w

saying "in Genesis" or "in the Bible" are not citations. if you want to cite, or quote, then cite and quote. she is paraphrasing from a 1200 page book and also seemingly using different versions, using quotes of different languages and translating them using something

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Anonymous #15 4w

if youre gonna bring in outside sources youre gonna need one its college they shouldnt have to spell that out every time

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Anonymous #15 4w

I can almost guarantee it’s in OU’s academic integrity policy which is likely referenced in the syllabus. Have you guys ever taken a college course?

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Anonymous #15 4w

By your own admission she has incorrectly sourced her paper. Incorrect citations are plagerism. When you plagerize a piece of work in university, you fail the class at minimum Grow up already

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Anonymous OP 4w

Notice how the instructor is clearly emotional in their feedback. Clearly she’s not able to share her criticisms considering she did and got an entire 0

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Anonymous #15 4w

also the paper actually had a methodology so any decent critique would maybe critique that instead of out right refusing to engage bc the bible

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Anonymous OP 4w

She goes “I agree with the 0 you got because I also found your response to be disrespectful” like omg

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Anonymous #15 4w

You can share your criticisms without calling your classmates cowards lmfao

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Anonymous #4 4w

Plagiarism* and you literally don’t get a 0 for having citations but them being incorrect, and the rubric should’ve clearly stated that empirical sources were required. That’s nowhere in the rubric. Fr have yall read the rubric for this assignment

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Anonymous #15 4w

I used to be a teaching major for three years before changing majors. I’ve graded my fair share of papers while student teaching, and also worked with other teachers. Those comments made by both professors are exactly what is expected from educators in a professional setting. Your inability to grasp that is not the fault of the professors, it’s your own limited understanding of how teaching works

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Anonymous OP 4w

does anyone know what the article they were responding to was? also, she called things demonic. like dude, are we for real?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Jewell, J. A., & Brown, C. S. (2014). Relations among gender typicality, peer relations, and mental health during early adolescence. Social Development, 23(1), 137–156. https://doi.org/10.1111/sode.12042

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Anonymous #1 4w

behind a paywall but u can unlock w scihub

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Anonymous #15 4w

brother you get sent to the academic board for plagiarism and when your citations are incorrect or missing. you could fail the whole class and be removed from the school. what the fuck are you talking about

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Anonymous #4 4w

Yet you can’t spell plagiarism that’s kind of silly

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Anonymous #15 4w

Yes yo do get a 0 for having incorrectly cited something because this isn’t middle school anymore. It’s academia PS the Bible isn’t an empirical source. Like objectively

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Anonymous #15 4w

I’ve read the rubric, and I want to see the syllabus too, because I’m almost certain it’s mentioned there or in guidelines for previous assignments. This wasn’t the first assignment of the semester

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Anonymous #15 4w

holy hell she was responding to an academic study in disagreement by calling it demonic and plagiarizing? what the fuck

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Anonymous #15 4w

“Ummm you didn’t properly type everything in a yikyak comment section. Look whose the dummy now” 🤓

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Anonymous #1 4w

You do not get sent to the academic board for your citations being wrong 💀 imagine having citations but them not being in MLA format so you get expelled

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Anonymous #15 4w

its not having them in the wrong format, ive done that. this is NOT HAVING THEM.

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Anonymous #15 4w

First of all, this seems to be a psych class, so it should be in APA 💀

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Anonymous #1 4w

Literally referenced the bible to back up her ideas throughout her response so wdym

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Anonymous #15 4w

The Bible isn’t an empirical source, this has already been discussed

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Anonymous OP 4w

Bro it was a hypothetical haha

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Anonymous #15 4w

At my uni they tell us that we could absolutely be sent for that reason, because incorrect citations can cause someone to believe you plagiarized and are making up stuff to cover it up

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Anonymous #4 4w

And show me where in the rubric an empirical source is needed plz

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Anonymous #15 4w

she did not cite. referencing or calling the name of is not citing.

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Anonymous #15 4w

The instructor says it’s one of the learning goals of the class. I can almost guarantee it’s in the syllabus

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Anonymous #1 4w

oh LMAOAOAOAOAOOAOA

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Anonymous #1 4w

which words did she copy?

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Anonymous OP 4w

Prove it

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Anonymous #1 4w

💀

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Anonymous #15 4w

Well that’s kind of the whole problem. It’s not very obvious what she was trying to do here

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Anonymous #15 4w

she called an ACADEMIC STUDY DEMONIC and refuted its premise based on random claims where she did not cite anything other than making vague references and paraphrasing. if you disagree with academic research, have a complete stance or something that refutes it

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Anonymous #4 4w

You’re supposed to show me where in the rubric it’s required to have sources, don’t get distracted

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Anonymous #15 4w

plagiarism is not just words but ideas too lmaoo its a wonder youve never been reported to the academic board

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Anonymous #1 4w

Wait which words did she copy? You never answered

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Anonymous #1 4w

She called society’s “pushing of the belief” demonic but lowkey implied the article was doing the same lol

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Anonymous #1 4w

"copy words and then change them a little" so either she plagiarized this way, by taking words in a citation that youre saying she did, or she didnt copy words and didnt cite it, and plagiarized it

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Anonymous #15 4w

It’s one of the learning goals of the class. Look at the comment

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Anonymous #1 4w

by THE SCHOOLS OWN STUDENT RESOURCES AND GUIDELINES THAT ARE PUBLIC, IT WAS PLAGIARISM NO MATTER WHAT

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Anonymous #15 4w

Even as a Christian I honestly do think her views on gender stereotypes are offensive

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Anonymous #12 4w

They are clearly her own ideas, “ in my opinion” “I believe that” she justifies her ideas by referencing the Bible. Bruh

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Anonymous #15 4w

Are you seriously trying to tell me colleges don’t want people using empirical evidence in a scientific paper?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Which words?

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Anonymous #7 4w

Seems as if she needs to drop out and focus on being a beautiful future wife

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Anonymous #15 4w

University plagiarism policies are never required to be extended on in the rubric. They’re required to be addressed in the Syllabus, and even if they’re not they still apply. You literally have to agree to them to enroll here. If OU does their job she’ll be put on probation for this 🤦‍♀️

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Anonymous #1 4w

so: her paper gets a failing grade in a middle school classroom, she didnt meet the word requirement, she plagiarized, and 60% of the response was fluff being restated and reworded. but yea, fire the teacher

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Anonymous #4 4w

A scientific paper is different from a ***reflective*** response to an article

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Anonymous #1 4w

“Well the teacher was mean so she should be fired obvs”

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Anonymous #15 4w

she invokes the bible. does not quote, does not give a page or verse to reference. she is PARAPHRASING WITHOUT A SOURCE

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Anonymous #4 4w

“Well the student offended me so im going to give her a 0” interesting isn’t it

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Anonymous #15 4w

Comment says “heavily uses personal ideology over empirical evidence in a scientific class”. I’ll give you $500 if you can show me that they never mentioned using empirical evidence in this class before. It’s November, not sylly week.

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Anonymous #15 4w

I think your problem is that you’re as smart as her

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Anonymous #15 4w

Yeah, you usually reflect on scientific evidence provided to you with more scientific evidence. I get you’ve never worked professionally in such a field, but most responses aren’t just random bullshit thrown out

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Anonymous #7 4w

😭

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Anonymous #1 4w

So referencing ideas from the Bible to back up your position is not taking the ideas and claiming them to be originally yours, and she didn’t copy words but change them a little

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Anonymous #15 4w

Said student plagerized. Why are you defending plagerism?

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Anonymous #15 4w

Remember how I told you she’d get an 11/25 even if the argument was coherent? Well it wasn’t. It contradicted itself and used circular reasoning. So that’s why it didn’t even get a D.

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Anonymous OP 4w

You’re making the claim and guaranteeing it’s in there even though it’s nowhere in the rubric, you’re welcome to find it and report back

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Anonymous OP 4w

Also that 11/25 is assuming she cited everything properly too

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Anonymous #15 4w

a response or critique to a science paper is they failed to consider X which impacts their conclusions bc Y not the bible with not citations

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Anonymous #15 4w

“I encourage all students to question or challenge course material with other empirical findings or testable hypotheses” even if she cited the Bible passage perfectly, she didn’t do this part

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Anonymous #15 4w

not a single verse or page or chapter reference. not old or new testament.

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Anonymous #1 4w

not a single verse or page or chapter reference. not old or new testament.

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Anonymous #1 4w

not a single verse or page or chapter reference. not old or new testament.

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Anonymous #1 4w

not a single verse or page or chapter reference. not old or new testament.

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Anonymous #1 4w

See but giving her a 0 for not citing something is actually anti Christian bias from woke professors

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Anonymous OP 4w

You’ve already admitted several times she didn’t deserve a 0

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Anonymous #15 4w

She broke university policy on plagerism. Plagerism gets you kicked out of university or at minimum it makes you automatically fail a class. It’s nobody’s fault but your own that this basic fact of adult life is lost on you

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Anonymous #1 4w

she writes "the bible" or "god says" thats not citation. thats not reference. if i am to quote president FDR, i say "President FDR said in his inaugural address, „The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.“" if i say "FDR said the only thing we ever fear should be fear itself" thats plagiarism

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Anonymous #15 4w

fucking public university should be losing its accreditation for this insurmountable wave of bullshit

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Anonymous #1 4w

“And I personally believe” ….you didn’t highlight that part. she’s reflecting on the article, providing her opinion and assessment, and explaining herself. She didn’t deserve a 0

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Anonymous #15 4w

what part of the article is she reflecting on tho

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Anonymous #1 4w

Love how it’s always conservatives saying nobody is a hard worker anymore, but when a student doesn’t do literally the bare minimum for a paper, her failure is actually the fault of the professor being transgender or some shit

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Anonymous #15 4w

Personal belief isn’t a source bruh, are you fr? 😭

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Anonymous #4 4w

You’re inconsistent tbh. It’s fascinating. She clearly complied with the rubric guidelines and didn’t deserve a 0. reminder it’s plagiarism* not plagerism. God bless!

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Anonymous #4 4w

#1 was arguing that those were citations, I retorted saying they’re clearly not citations if the sentence starts with “I personally believe”

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Anonymous #15 4w

Idc abt perfect accuracy in yikyak comments lol. That’s because this isn’t an academic paper. Making a typo that bad in an academic paper would be almost as embarrassing as not properly citing sources

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Anonymous #15 4w

I did not. I said 11/25 *if* the argument was perfect. And it was far from it

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Anonymous #15 4w

Yeah so she didn’t cite her paper, I’m glad we are in agreement here. That point is entirely unsubstantiated, and as the professor said, is basically leaving the assignment incomplete

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Anonymous OP 4w

I think it’s one of these two, based on rate my professors and uni websites listing the instructors and their graduate advisors. Clearly, there was emphasis on research and the scientific method

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Anonymous #15 4w

hey dude what part of the paper was she reflecting on

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Anonymous #12 4w

Hey dude! Gender norms and stereotypes

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Anonymous #15 4w

That’s the topic of the paper, not a part of it

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Anonymous #4 4w

“Hey when you were talking about the march to the sea, what part of the civil war were you reflecting on?” “The civil war”

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Anonymous #4 4w

“That’s the topic of the paper not a part of the paper tho”

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Anonymous #15 4w

Me when I don’t know how grading papers works

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Anonymous #15 4w

Well that wasn’t even the topic of the paper. The topic was the relation between norms AND teasing/conduct by peers

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Anonymous #12 4w

Do you want to send the article and I can be specific on the exact parts she’s responding to or like what are you asking for. Is she not responding to the assertion that gender stereotypes are harmful

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Anonymous #15 4w

I’ve cited it above (in the same format that she should have)

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Anonymous #15 4w

if you were to quote the bible or gods intentions for an academic paper, how would you do that? "god said?" no. at least for your sake id hope not

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Anonymous #15 4w

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2014-01570-008

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Anonymous #15 4w

here you go pooks

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Anonymous #12 4w

even just from the abstract its about the association between gender norms and adolescent popularity

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Anonymous OP 4w

Right so she was responding to the assertion that gender stereotypes are harmful. she just simply didn’t deserve a 0, per the rubric

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Anonymous #15 4w

In what way did she respond to that? Did she agree or disagree?

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Anonymous #15 4w

She didn’t properly cite her sources. That’s literal plagerism. You are defending plagerism

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Anonymous #15 4w

except that wasnt just a baseless claim in the article there was methodology and data to back up their claim and she responded withe actually i think gender norms are good bc bible

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Anonymous #12 4w

I mean im not saying she deserves a 100 but she clearly didn’t deserve a 0 especially when you compare her paper against the grading rubric

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Anonymous #15 4w

she deserved to be sent to the fucking academic board for how bad it fucking was man. she plagiarized. she broke the rules. shit like this gets a fail for the whole class not just a single assignment

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Anonymous OP 4w

“I strongly disagree with the idea from the article that encouraging acceptance of diverse gender expressions could improve students confidence”

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Anonymous #15 4w

publicizing your own paper where you commit some of the most egregious forms of plagiarism seen and sharing that your teacher did NOT report that but just gave you a zero because you fucked up the rest of the assignment's learning objectives should have you ridiculed and the teacher inspected not for discrimination but for being too goddamn kind

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yall dying on the hill that she plagiarized the Bible when she genuinely didn’t lol. Like you think shes the next Joseph smith

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Anonymous #15 4w

did she give a direct quote from the bible?

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Anonymous #15 4w

ig guess that 1 sentence could be considered a response but she literally never backed up that claim or expanded on it

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Anonymous #15 4w

So we agree that she thinks that means gender norms are beneficial? And that pressuring children to follow them is fine (or at least “not necessarily…a problem”), right?

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Anonymous #15 4w

Ah so we are in the “denial” stage of grief now

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Anonymous #1 4w

She paraphrased and summarized points from the Bible, it doesn’t look like she quoted a verse. When you summarize or paraphrase a book, you name the title of the book to which you’re referring. Which she did

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Anonymous #15 4w

The norm is to supply the name of the translation (e.g. New King James Version) because they differ

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Anonymous #15 4w

Thanks for clarifying that she paraphrased and summarized, no verses quoted. As per the University of Oklahoma's posted rules in their Student Resources page online, if she paraphrases and indicates it is her interpretation of God's word, it is not plagiarism. What she did was paraphrase and said "God says," which is plagiarism.

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Anonymous OP 4w

The messages don’t differ, the words do. If she was quoting scriptures and verses then yes

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Anonymous #1 4w

“Paraphrasing is fine when the author cites the source” (the Bible). Nice

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Anonymous #15 4w

Ok, fair I guess, but she’s not really following the norm. Do we agree on the previous point regarding what she said about the harm of gender norms?

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Anonymous #15 4w

Right here, she used original Hebrew words and translates them. Does she give a source for these words?

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Anonymous OP 4w

And that pressuring children is “not necessarily…a problem”?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Information that is widely accepted as fact or considered common knowledge does not need to be cited

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Anonymous #15 4w

Forgive me for not knowing Hebrew 💀

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Anonymous #15 4w

See you just quoted and didn't even get the text right. You wrote "author" when it was "writer" and then did not quote the critical part of the sentence - which clarifies that it must indicate it is your writing and interpretation. She claimed God said something, without quote, without clarifying it was her interpretation. That is plagiarism.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Just explaining why that wouldn’t be considered plagiarism

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Anonymous #15 4w

The specific Hebrew words (that may have come from any number of versions of the Bible in Hebrew) are not common knowledge, and the translation may have been done imperfectly and/or out of context, which in languages like Hebrew, surrounding contexts may impact specific words' meanings.

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Anonymous #15 4w

Translations of Hebrew are not considered common knowledge. Please respond to my previous question btw. The fact you haven’t yet is somewhat telling

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Anonymous #1 4w

Which she does indicate that it’s her interpretation. “In my personal opinion” “my belief” “I don’t see this as a problem” “I believe” I disagree” are her interpretations based on her understanding of the Bible

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Anonymous #15 4w

Referencing separate versions of the Bible without distinguishing when they are being quoted, paraphrased, or interpreted, is also plagiarizing.

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Anonymous #15 4w

She does not say that every time.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Bro telling of what? Disagreeing with someone doesn’t justify giving them a 0 on an assignment, stay on topic

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Anonymous #15 4w

I will go back and provide highlights where she did not clarify or remotely indicate when it was an interpretation and she was not quoting.

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Anonymous #15 4w

Every time she claimed God said something for this whole page, she did not quote or clarify it was her interpretation.

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Anonymous #1 4w

she simply did not plagiarize the Bible, if this is the hill you want to die on then go ahead. But it’s very clear that she was not plagiarizing

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Anonymous #15 4w

I’m staying on topic. Do you agree that her argument is gender norms aren’t harmful and teasing is “not necessarily…a problem”?

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Anonymous #15 4w

"nuh uh"

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Anonymous OP 4w

I apologize I misread what you were asking. I’d say that her argument is that gender norms are natural

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Anonymous #15 4w

She does not clarify it is her interpretation of God's original plan, or quote what this original plan is stated to be. She does not clarify it is her interpretation of it being "how God made us" or quote the original text saying what way that is. She did not clarify if it is her interpretation of if God created women to reflect his beauty and compassion or quote when that was stated.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Honestly, end of the day, I'd say this SHOULD actually be a financial win for the teacher. I don't know about emotionally because she's probably going to be hate crimed by lunatics, but this is a slam dunk if she has to bring this to a court.

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Anonymous #15 4w

That’s not a response to the source material. Earlier, you said this. Does that mean she agrees or disagrees? Because the source material seems to assert that the social repercussions of not conforming to them is harmful

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Anonymous OP 4w

The source material makes no comment on whether the norms are natural or fabricated

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Anonymous OP 4w

The material argues that gender stereotypes are harmful, she argues that gender stereotypes are natural. That is a response to the source material

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Anonymous #15 4w

Does that mean she agrees or disagrees? Does that mean natural ≠ harmful?

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Anonymous #15 4w

she doesnt argue that though. she states she disagrees and then commits academic malpractice.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m putting her malpractice aside for a sec and dissecting why the argument sucks even if she cited the Bible perfectly

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Anonymous OP 4w

id do the same except her argument is the malpractice. what points does she make? she refers to religious texts as they make points for her except she commits malpractice in doing that lmfao

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Anonymous OP 4w

The prompt wasn’t “do you agree or disagree”, it was apply this article to your experience, reflect on and react to the article, provide alternate interpretations, etc. which she did. at the very least she met basic requirements of the assignment, receiving a 0 is unjustified

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Anonymous #15 4w

Ok, so what was the alternate interpretation?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Again, because she wasn’t using arguments that are direct verses in the bible, but rather her interpretation of the bible, her argument being centered around her faith in God and understanding of the Bible is not plagiarism. Referencing her understanding of the Bible is not plagiarising the Bible. She was also not explicitly told to use empirical evidence or sources, so receiving a 0 because she did not do something that wasn’t listed as a requirement is not truthful

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Anonymous OP 4w

She interpreted that the author believes it’s harmful to have gender stereotypes, she reacted by disagreeing with the author because of her personal experiences and understanding of the world

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Is that confirmed or is that alleged? It went from “apparently” she didn’t even adhere to the required word count to that being accepted as fact

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Anonymous #15 4w

Ok, so now you’re saying she actually does disagree. You didn’t say that before. If she disagrees with the conclusion that it’s harmful, does she provide any evidence besides her personal beliefs?

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Anonymous #15 4w

the author doesnt just believe that though the author found that less gender typical adolescents were associated with being less popular and teased

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Anonymous OP 4w

Well that’s completely false, I said that the prompt wasn’t asking if she agreed or disagreed, it asked her to react (etc.) I’ve been consistent in that she disagrees with the author. she doesn’t provide evidence because she wasn’t prompted to. she shouldn’t receive a 0 for not doing so

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Anonymous #15 4w

"Referencing her understanding of the Bible is not plagiarizing the Bible" Except it literally is, as per the University of Oklahoma's rules, when you do not clarify it is your understanding of the text in your paraphrasing. She plagiarized in at least these sections. She did not earn a 1/25 or anything more. She did earn a fail for the entire class and a hearing with the academic board.

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Anonymous #12 4w

And she responded by saying that in her experience and understanding, gender stereotypes are natural and a good thing. She shouldn’t receive a 0 for that

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Anonymous #1 4w

“And I personally believe” is her clarifying that is her understanding

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Anonymous #15 4w

Did she cite the Bible? No. Did she reference the Bible? Yes - which Bible? One in English and one in Hebrew. Which Versions? We don't know, she didn't cite it. She plagiarized time and time again.

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Anonymous #15 4w

Using evidence is the entire point of the class. The class discusses the scientific method. It’s clear that it was necessary

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Anonymous #15 4w

"I personally believe" is not the interpretation of the Bible, but her opinion on eliminating gender from society.

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Anonymous #15 4w

But let’s continue. She says the teasing “not necessarily…a problem”. Problematic to say that in a developmental psychology class? Probably. In the beginning, she seems to believe that there is pressure to conform to these norms by acknowledging the teasing that occurs “as a way to enforce gender norms”. If that’s the case, why does she say towards the end that she “do[es] not think men and women are pressured to be more masculine or feminine” (i.e. conform to gender norms)?

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s a contradiction

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Anonymous OP 4w

Same here: “Gender roles and tendencies should not be considered ‘stereotypes’”

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Anonymous OP 4w

Another contradiction. The argument itself is shit.

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Anonymous #15 4w

you can’t just say “source: the bible” you have to properly source the material. how are you in college???

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Anonymous OP 4w

The Cambridge Dictionary literally gives “sexual stereotypes” as an example 💀

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Anonymous #1 4w

Because of her understanding and interpretation of what the Bible says about God. she for sure could’ve been less lazy and actually cited verses, but she didn’t plagiarize the Bible. I don’t think that’s really a thing to “plagiarize” holy books… they’re completely different than a normal book or textbook or article, which is why the instructor didn’t mention plagiarism in their feedback to her but only a lack of empirical evidence

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Anonymous OP 4w

Finally, “God does not view women as less significant than men” DEFINITELY needs a source, because that seems to contradict Leviticus 27 (NKJV, but NIV says the same or similar). So it doesn’t seem like God views them as equally significant, unless she wants to argue otherwise (and she should explain why)

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Anonymous #15 4w

even in a theology class her interpretation of the bible wouldnt fly bc she never backed any of that shit up with actual quotes from the bible

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Anonymous #3 4w

Read the rubric requirements

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Anonymous #15 4w

I can guarantee that the APA style was discussed in “elements of psychology”, or I’ll cut off my foot

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Anonymous OP 4w

I guarantee that every single essay you’ve ever written has provided clarification in the prompt and grading rubric about citations and requirement regarding providing sources

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Anonymous #15 4w

Nope. They just said it at the beginning of class in middle and high school. By the time I came to college it was “read the academic integrity policy” and sometimes they stated which style to use. All of the major styles require you to reference the name of the translation, the book, and the verse

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Anonymous OP 4w

There’s this one too. Clearly, her argument contradicts itself and has multiple holes in it. That’s why it’s shit. And it doesn’t explain the alternate interpretations in a way that demonstrates that she read the text. That’s why she got a 0.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yes if you’re quoting the Bible you’re required to provide the citation for it. She didn’t quote it, honestly she didn’t plagiarize the Bible, and the instructors didn’t even say anything about plagiarism. She wasn’t required anywhere in the prompt or rubric to provide her own sources because the prompt was to respond to and reflect on the given material, for a lack of sources to be the main reason for her getting a 0 deserves to be investigated

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Anonymous OP 4w

Forgot the borderline circular reasoning. “Women naturally want to do womanly things because God created us with those womanly desires”

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Anonymous #15 4w

I don’t give a fuck if she cited it in all 3 major styles. The argument is nonsensical 😭

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Anonymous #15 4w

"she could have been less lazy" she plagiarized because she was lazy? because she never clarified anything. it was the bibles words that she was talking about, but in her own words, and she never said that. thats plagiarism. doesnt matter what you say, she plagiarized.

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s all based on interpretation, I disagree with you that the Bible sees men as better than women. My source would be from a biblical scholar not just one Bible verse, the God of the Bible is pretty clear on His love for man and woman but we don’t have to go off on that tangent

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Anonymous #15 4w

she didnt quote, she didnt specify. just words coming from somewhere. when she states it is her opinion on eliminating gender, that does not also apply for the 20 times she DOES NOT specify she is the one rewording the bible. if you took from my paper, reworded it, and didnt say you reworded it, thats academic malpractice, you plagiarized, you fail.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yes it being poorly worded in some areas doesn’t justify a 0 when she did meet basic requirements of the assignment

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Anonymous #15 4w

If it’s based on interpretation then cite the verses that support your argument. This is an academic paper, not a tweet or sermon. She’s supposed to be using empirical evidence anyway. That’s what the entire fucking class is about.

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Anonymous #15 4w

its not up to US or the TEACHER to decipher if it is her interpretation of something. you cant fault everyone else on the planet for misinterpreting you being accidentally oxymoronic and never clarifying what you really meant. shes at fault because shes lazy and stupid.

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Anonymous #1 4w

She didn’t plagiarize the Bible 😂 the instructors don’t even think she plagiarized the Bible

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Anonymous #1 4w

the supreme court doesnt go make rulings saying "well the constitution says you can blow up the planet" because it doesnt say that.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I mean it’s clearly her interpretation considering the prompt of the essay is basically “provide your opinion”. What part of the prompt leads you to believe this was meant to be a scientific paper

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Anonymous #1 4w

however, people go and make interpretations of the constitution saying the second amendment guarantees their right to own nine hundred nukes for self defense against the government. if the supreme court said the constitution said that, never clarifying it was their interpretation, it would be wrong and it would be plagiarism, misrepresenting the original text

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Anonymous #15 4w

"its clearly her interpretation" NO IT NEVER IS. SHE SAYS THE BIBLE SAYS. IF I QUOTE THE NEW YORK TIMES THATS A QUOTE. SHE IS SAYING THE BIBLE SAYS LIKE SHE IS QUOTING IT WHEN SHES MAKING PERSONAL ASSERTIONS.

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Anonymous #15 4w

That’s the entire purpose of the class and the field. She needs to provide evidence. I can’t believe we’re arguing over whether she can say “well I disagree because I think god did this for a reason and promoting otherwise is demonic” and the instructor has to give her any sort of credit

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Anonymous #1 4w

i pray to all seven thousand gods that this teacher gets to suing this student and her family into the ground for whatever the hell threats she is probably receiving right now for being a trans person who dared to give a conservative christian a bad grade

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Anonymous OP 4w

How do you know what the entire purpose of the class is? All we know is the purpose of the essay which she fulfilled basic requirements for and didn’t deserve a 0

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Anonymous #1 4w

Bro the teacher is going to be fired, $1000

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Anonymous #15 4w

its a psychology class...

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Anonymous #15 4w

she did not fulfill the basic requirements, not even the word count lmfao

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Anonymous #15 4w

I know because the instructor and class description said so

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Anonymous #15 4w

even better, reputational and actual financial damages, possibly even pension damages

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Anonymous OP 4w

the prompt was react to the article providing your experience and reflection, and she did. It asked for her opinion and reaction and she gave it. She got a 0 because the instructor disagreed with her. She is in the wrong

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Anonymous #15 4w

one last question: when samantha says something is demonic, is there evidence for that? or is that heinous academic conduct

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Anonymous #1 4w

Best she can do is sue TPUSA OU, and maybe the mom, for defamation or something? Although she’d have to meet a high bar to prove that and probably doesn’t want to go through the trouble. If she’s fired she could try a wrongful termination suit but idk how it would go

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s a wild description of the class for the course material to include an article on how popular you are based on your gender identity

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Anonymous #15 4w

youre a demonic person.

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Anonymous #15 4w

“The best reaction papers illustrate that students have read the assigned materials and engaged in critical thinking about some aspect of the article.” She did not. That’s why she got a 0. That, the argument is nonsensical and flawed, there’s no evidence (which is definitely required for a psych class when you’re reflecting on a research paper), and she called the authors of the study and those that agree with them “demonic” (ad hominem, appeal to religion)

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Anonymous OP 4w

Potentially contributing, she also called her classmates cowards, which is poor academic form

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Anonymous #1 4w

You get a 0 bc I disagree w you

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Anonymous #15 4w

That’s perfectly on topic, the course is a psych class discussing how kids take into account alignment with gender norms when ranking the popularity of their classmates. And the study is proving that the amount they’re teased is related to their alignment with gender norms

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Anonymous #15 4w

id get a zero because i violated like every rule of professionalism i agreed to in the code of conduct and in the syllabus and literally anything id ever signed to start my academic program

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

Apparently not

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Anonymous broken_smoke_alarm 4w

LMAOOOO that’s what I thought with the “gender roles and tendencies should not be considered ‘stereotypes’”

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Anonymous #1 3w

She did paraphrase one section. But at the same time if you’re reflecting on an article you should at least cite the said article. That’s probably the easiest way to prove that you read the material

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Anonymous xi.jinping 3w

Yeah, but middle school and high school. This shit shouldn’t get to college. You should act like an adult by the time you get to college (especially a junior in college!) and also write somewhat decent.

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Anonymous #7 3w

Just Google it

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Anonymous #15 3w

dumbest take

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Anonymous #15 3w

it's a given that you cite sources for anything you write in college...

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Anonymous #21 3w

Sources werent even required she merely justified her position with the Bible. To think people really believe she plagiarized the Bible is honestly very funny

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Anonymous #1 3w

I’m a middle school teacher and every time I read it I want to cry

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Anonymous #15 3w

It can be plagiarism if you cite your source incorrectly, which she did

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Anonymous #18 3w

She did not plagiarize the Bible 😭😭 the instructors don’t even argue that she did so im not sure why yall think that’s part of why she got a 0, sources weren’t required, she met basic requirements for the assignment, she didn’t deserve a 0

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Anonymous #15 3w

Like grade her harshly, but giving her a 0 was punitive

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Anonymous #15 3w

sources not required, but sources used, and sources not cited

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Anonymous #15 3w

Everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs and opinions. She has a right to keep speaking about what she believes in. This isn’t about the value of what she believes in. Teacher’s set forth standards. You as a student must meet them to achieve a certain grade. If you don’t know something it’s on you to clarify with a professor. In college you’re responsible for your education.

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Anonymous #1 3w

it was an opinion piece, her “incorrectly” citing the basis for her own opinions and personal beliefs is not justification for a 0, especially when requirements of the essay were fulfilled. She didn’t plagiarize the Bible lol do you not hear how ridiculous that sounds. Taking a students essay so personally that you give them a 0 is ridiculous, especially in this case because the grade she deserved wasn’t that much better !!! it was clearly just to spite her

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Anonymous #15 3w

It’s entirely possible to incorrectly cite stuff, dude. It’s easy, actually. You’re talking like someone who’s never cited anything before.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Where did I say it was impossible

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Anonymous #15 3w

You put incorrectly in quotes as if to say her citing incorrectly wasn’t possible.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

Because wdym she got a 0 for incorrectly citing her opinions and beliefs. It’s not a justification for a 0 and the instructor was being spiteful

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Anonymous #15 3w

I already explained why she got a 0 and not just a 50 or something. The argument was dog shit and her writing mechanics are ass

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yeah she got a 0 because her instructors opinion was that her opinions and personal beliefs were dog shit. The instructors reaction was emotional and unreasonable so of course it’s being investigated

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Anonymous #15 3w

No, the argument was literally circular and nonsensical 💀

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Anonymous #15 3w

The formatting was also horrendous.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 3w

That was the least of her problems

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Anonymous OP 3w

Okay, true.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Not really? She was told “the grade is a consequence for submitting a controversial opinion without proper defense” which just shows that her instructor read her opinion and gave her a 0 for it lmfao that’s kind of bad

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Anonymous #15 3w

Show me where the prof said that

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Anonymous #15 3w

We’ve already been over the fact that evidence is necessary for this entire class. Stop being obtuse 😭

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Anonymous OP 3w

Bro you tried to argue that that should be clear based on a one sentence overview of the class😭 her professor said in their feedback to the opinion piece that they were offended and found the paper unempathetic, like she was clearly being spiteful

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Anonymous #15 3w

Pretty sure I already pointed out to you how her argument was circular and contradictory. The prof pointed that out. Your inability to comprehend that is beyond help atp 😭

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Anonymous #15 3w

do you know what plagiarism is

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