Anonymous OP 2w

That’s what goy/goyim is used for despite them claiming it’s a completely neutral term

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Anonymous OP 2w

Torah doesn’t say that, neither does the Talmud

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’ve read the Bible front to back, the Torah is just the first five books. Where does it say you’re allowed to discriminate against non-Jews?

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That’s a religious narrative of a Bronze Age war. Which everyone in the region at the time was also doing. It’s not a directive to discriminate against non-Jews. Biblical exegesis makes this very clear

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When you see Israeli media banging the drums for an ethnic war they are using ancient examples to say “look this is happening again” to give some kind of religious authority behind it

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Generational trauma has made israelis reinterpret text into something evil, bc they’re convinced it’s the only way to survive. Not an excuse for their behavior, but scripture doesn’t command Jews to discriminate against non Jews. That’s a trope that has caused a lot of damage

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The rabbis who interpreted the Torah literally said a state like Israel can’t exist until the end days there’s actually nothing Jewish about the modern state if Israel

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Anonymous #6 2w

all of us have been in situations where our words were cherry picked to justify violence against Israeli civilians. all of us have been told we are genocidal baby killers when we try to express concern for both Israelis and Palestinians. all of us have felt hurt and betrayal when the people who ask us these questions turn out to not be asking in good faith. all of us have dealt with increased danger, increased violence, increased hiding, increased security, and increased violence

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Anonymous #6 2w

attachment to israel, for most of us, isn’t motivated by torah. it’s motivated by attachment to people who live in Israel— Jewish and non-Jewish. and not just for people in the abstract, but for specific people we know and love and in many cases have lost

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there’s no “the” victim. there’s lots of hurt and scared people who do bad things because they’re hurt and scared

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^^ case in point

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how so

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Anonymous #6 2w

i’m specifically talking about randos on the internet here

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of course i don’t and again this is what i’m talking about this is why jewish people won’t tell you if they have criticisms of israel because this shit always happens

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i think no matter how much the state is the civilians shouldn’t be slaughtered and that goes for palestinians too

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Supporting October 7 which explicitly targeted civilians and produced lots of footage of the indiscriminate as proof is actually disgusting

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Anonymous #7 2w

Out of curiosity, what do you think Israel has been doing in Gaza since October 7th, 2023?

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Anonymous #7 2w

There’s also plenty of criticism of Israel on that channel although today it’s mostly about the synagogue that got attacked in Michigan

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Anonymous #7 2w

The attack on a synagogue that happened because the monster who committed it had his children killed in an airstrike on Lebanon by Israel

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Anonymous OP 2w

Great and what did the preschoolers in Michigan have to do with that? This is why that channel is mostly dedicated to Jews commiserating. It’s the only space where we can grieve without whataboutism

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Anonymous OP 2w

Genocide. Doesn’t mean I don’t care about Jewish lives here and in Israel

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If actual footage produced by Hamas is not proof enough for you you might as well go ahead and deny the holocaust

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Anonymous #7 2w

its not worth it 💙 just ignore them

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You can find this footage online yourself very easily.

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Anonymous #7 2w

All I’m saying is Israel is behest the the consequences of its own actions. I don’t think violence against innocent people is justified in any scenario, which is why I’m criticizing both sides

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Anonymous OP 2w

You’re going around spreading falsehoods about Judaism promoting violence and justifying attacks on American Jews because Israel. This is not some even handed critique

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Anonymous #7 2w

That’s not at all what I’m doing. I’m being very direct about the fact I condemn both sides. You can cool it with the victim card, I can also recognize the inequality between lone acts of terror and a literal genocide

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Anonymous OP 2w

This is far from the only act of terror against Jews in America and elsewhere. This isn’t some victim Olympics. No matter what Israel does Jews like every other minority deserve to feel safe in their houses of worship. Fighting for that right is not playing a “victim card”

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Anonymous #7 2w

And no, we don’t think our lives are any more valuable than any other human life despite what random people who have never interacted with a Jew say in this thread and elsewhere. We would like to send our kids to preschool without fearing for their lives though.

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Anonymous #7 2w

You are completely and totally (and likely intentionally) misconstruing what I’m saying

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Anonymous OP 2w

You are going around saying the Torah tells Jews to hate non Jews and telling me being upset about a preschool being shot is playing the “victim card.” Not many ways to interpret that

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Anonymous #7 2w

And you did it again. I was told something completely different about the whole “goy” thing and that’s on me for not researching it myself. I’m not telling you grieving for an attack on a preschool is playing the victim card. I shouldn’t have to explain myself when I’ve already explained it: both sides are horrific but there seems to be a distinct difference in the scale of the atrocities committed by either side

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Anonymous OP 2w

Your first comment is about the Torah discriminating about non Jews. I didn’t see you say anything retracting that statement. And American Jews are not a “side.” They are American citizens not Israelis

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Anonymous #7 2w

Then obviously I’m speaking to the Zionist American-Jewish people. I’m speaking about anyone that supports the Israeli state and its actions across the Middle East. That includes everyone from republicans to Christians to Zionists

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Anonymous OP 2w

When you open the conversation with commentary on the Torah you never read you are very clearly talking about Jews

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Anonymous #7 2w

Hence the clarification now to clear up the confusion

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Anonymous OP 2w

Your comment on the Torah is still up there spreading disinformation about Jewish people

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Anonymous OP 2w

no offense but if you that easily believed whatever wild thing you heard about the Torah maybe there are other things you are wrong about too

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Anonymous #9 2w

They’re deleting any post or comment critical of Israel, so it’s pretty clear who they support

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