Anonymous #1 3w

Thought terminating response

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Anonymous #1 3w

King of who again?

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Anonymous #2 3w

King of kings

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Anonymous #6 3w

I wonder why I would criticize the religion that’s had the most sociopolitical influence in the country I live in. Hm, I wonder.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Let’s do an experiment. Replace “Christian” with “Muslim” and watch the downvotes come in. We all know it’s also true, but it’s only socially acceptable to dogpile on Christians

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Anonymous #6 3w

I’ve literally never seen a Muslim do a No-True-Scotsman on another Muslim who did some fucked up shit. I’m sure it’s happened, but I’ve never seen it, because Islam is not the culturally dominant religion in my part of the world. Muslims are what, 1.3% of the US population, tops? Why would I devote energy to criticisms of Islam when they’re not the people forcing their faith through the halls of state authority?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Like, I’m an atheist, I view Islam as being the same as any other religion. It’s a superstition held by a large number of people, who believe that it provides divine moral guidance. Not many of those people are around me. And the ones who are don’t ever try to push it on me, so I don’t think about them as much. I cannot say the same about Christianity

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Anonymous #4 3w

The worst salesmen for their own religion rlly are Christians lmao

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Anonymous #6 3w

There is no significant pro-Sharia Law political movement in the United States. Muslims do not hold one of the two dominant parties in the palm of their hands. It’s only natural that I criticize Christianity more, especially Evangelical Protestantism. That’s the one that gets thrown in my face. That’s the one manipulating the politics of my country. Fundamentalist Islam is an awful ideology, just like Fundamentalist Christianity is an awful ideology. But I only have to see one every day.

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Anonymous #2 3w

You’ve never seen a Muslim renounce an Islamic terror attack? That’s odd considering how often it happens. >99% of foreign terror attacks on US soil are done by Islamists. Including domestic it makes up for >30% of total terrorism deaths, so I’d say that’s pretty sociologically relevant. Plus you’ve proved my point already downvoting. I’ve said a statement you completely agree with but it’s taboo

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Anonymous #6 3w

i need YOU to stop and be honest with yourself. are you fucking for real? are you dumb on purpose?

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Anonymous #6 3w

I’ve seen them denounce the action, I’ve never seen them claim that the person’s convictions were insincere, or that they were not inspired by Fundamentalist Islam. I’ve seen Muslims be like “well obviously most of us aren’t fundamentalists, that guy was a fundamentalist, and a piece of shit” but they’ve never, in my experience, outright called them NOT Muslims.

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Anonymous #6 3w

I just told you the reasoning and now you’re complaining?

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Anonymous #2 3w

My brother… saying someone’s “not a real Christian” is not saying they’re not Christian. It’s saying they aren’t honest practicers of the faith. That’s the same thing as saying the person who blew themselves up in the name of their religion wasn’t *actually* doing what their religion tells them to do. Literally 1:1

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Anonymous OP 3w

Who's complaining? I'm criticizing the climate and hostility to the same honest and true sentiment being applied to other groups when THEY are predominantly exposed to another religion that's not Christianity

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Anonymous #6 3w

You are complaining. You’re complaining that I called out your religion. Stop crying, it’s humiliating.

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Anonymous #6 3w

So what about when the religious text DOES instruct them to do something bad, something that another part of the text condemns? We all know these holy books contain internal contradictions. Every Muslim I’ve talked to knows that there are passages of the Quran which call for violence, and there are other passages that call for peace. Same in both Testaments of the Bible. Maybe it’s because Muslims actually read theirs.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I’m not a Christian. Altho I also see you’re not disagreeing. Thanks

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Anonymous #6 3w

I don’t take your points seriously enough to engage with them. That’s not a reflection of my position. Is it bad to call out christianity for its problem, yes or no?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yes. It’s also bad to get so defensive when someone who’s exposed to the same phenomenon with other religions says the same thing

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Anonymous #6 3w

It’s bad to call out a religion for its problems. Got it. Thanks for confirming that. So why are you okay with religions, like Christianity, that endorse pedophilia or slavery?

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Anonymous #2 3w

Additionally, every time I’ve read some of the more obviously Bronze-Age passages of the Holy Bible to Christians, they’ve always gotten extremely angry with me. When I’ve had similar conversations with Muslims (because I don’t hate religion, despite my lack of faith, I only hate fundamentalism) they’ve given me actual metatextual reasons for the contradiction and why they fall on one side of it. Because they’ve read the book. Most Christians have not read the book, and get INCENSED about it.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I misread your question, I apologize. I meant to agree with you that it’s good to call out a religion for its problems.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Sure you did! But great, if you supposedly agree then you can stop crying about the fact that I didn’t curate my post to your specific wants

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Anonymous #2 3w

So then you clearly take issue with predetermined biases with your understanding of different religions and are extending Muslims the assumption of consistency that you don’t extend to Christians. The only people you should be using to generalize religions are their religious leaders

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Anonymous OP 3w

Again, not complaining that you didn’t in this specific instance. We’ve moved on from that, thank you for your time. I’ve introduced a separate point that the same acceptance of criticism, of the same claim, with the same truth, but of other non-Christian religions is not welcomed with the same excitement from the masses. Here especially

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Anonymous #6 3w

That’s actually exactly what you’re doing. That was your first response was you crying about me not taking about why you personally wanted to see. You are going to continue discussing that with me until I see fit.

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Anonymous #6 3w

talking about what**

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Anonymous OP 3w

My first response? You mean my question that I asked? Because questions usually come before the answer? I asked a question and you answered it. Long ago I already stopped having a conversation with you. I’m enjoying my actually intellectually stimulating conversation with #2

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Anonymous #6 3w

So you’re saying you refuse to engage with me any further?

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Anonymous OP 3w

You’re literally refusing to engage with me, I’m just saying okay. Go about your day and I’ll keep talking with #2 because they’re actually saying interesting things. Very funny of YOU to accuse ME of refusing to engage when this was you 10 min ago

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Anonymous #6 3w

Yeah, say something legitimate and I will. But just to reinforce the point here that what you said was bad faith. You can come back in about an hour and a half. I’ll be waiting. Think of something legitimate to respond with

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Anonymous #6 3w

I mean every time I’ve talked to an actual authority figure in a religion, like a priest, they have a much better grasp on things. They don’t get insulted and walk away after I cite a Bible verse that any modern person would find objectionable. I’ve never talked to a Fire & Brimstone type preacher though, and I’d be willing to bet their insight would be far less valuable.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Welcome back. Did you manage to think of something legitimate?

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Anonymous #6 2w

y'all love playing victim when met with valid criticism. grow up

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Anonymous #6 2w

you throwing out 99% shows youre a fucking idiot. iamverysmart ahh you sound like a complete tool.

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