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Hamas doesn’t exist in a vacuum. You only get Hamas when you take out the PLO and genocide thousands and thousands of Palestinians. People are going to want to resist any way they can. Is Hamas good? absolutely not, but it doesn’t exist on its own
It’s a great day to speak out against Hamas’ atrocities
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Anonymous 1w

THIS oh my god people refuse to acknowledge the power imbalance in this situation

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Anonymous 1w

Are you accusing Israel of taking out the PLO in Gaza? Because that was literally Hamas who pushed PLO officials off buildings in a hostile takeover. Also, Hamas won elections in Gaza, and even though they haven’t held them in many years, recent reports indicate around 70% of Gaza supports Hamas. And what is this “genocide” of thousands of Palestinians you are referring to? Would genuinely like to know.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

Fuck do you mean what is this genocide, were you in a coma for the last 3 years?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

I would support the people who were killing the people geocoding me if I was a Palestinian.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

First of all, it’s a war, not a genocide, but we can get into that in another thread. Secondly, in this comment it suggests Hamas is a result of a genocide, but that makes no sense given that Hamas existed way before October 7, and started the war in the first place.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and apartheid state of Israel has existed before October 7th, which is precisely why Hamas has existed before October 7th.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

That’s actually an insane take. Hamas targeted Israeli CIVILIANS on October 7. Not even soldiers. They took CIVILIAN hostages. You can’t preach for the IDF to try to discriminate between Hamas and civilians (which it does, by the way) and then say it’s okay for Hamas to murder, rape and torture Israeli civilians. Can’t have it both ways, my friend.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

What evidence do you have the proves it’s a war, because the percentage of civilians killed, the complete wiping out of entire cities, and the starvation efforts all support the fact that it is genocide

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Explain to me how Israel is an apartheid state, and explain how there has been ethnic cleansing.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

Israel is an apartheid state because Palestinians are either completely barred from entering Israel, or are prescribed second class citizenship. Ethnic cleansing: wiping out entire Palestinian cities with the purpose of repopulating them with Israeli settlers. As Trump Gaza shows very blatantly, America and Israel are trying to repopulate rubble with settlers

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

The fact that if Israel wanted a genocide, Gaza would have been a parking lot on October 8. They have more than enough resources for that. And if you want to make the argument they were waiting for the hostages to get back, they’re all back now. And Gaza is still not a parking lot. The IDF drops leaflets on buildings before they’re bombed telling civilians to evacuate. Hamas then tells them to stay because they want the West to scream “genocide” so they get more donations.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

But “Palestine” is its own sovereign territory with its own government. What you said is half true, Palestinians are not allowed to enter Israel if they don’t recognize Israel as a state. If they do, they are welcome to come work, and even become an Israeli citizen if they so choose. Get out of your echo chamber and actually read up on it. Your ethnic cleansing claim is blatantly false. Israel has stated time and again it has no intent of repopulating Gaza with Israelis.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

Maybe don’t fucking bomb buildings where civilians stay and we wouldn’t be having this conversation? Blaming Hamas for people dying by Israeli bombs is something else, you scumbag. Also not a parking lot? What the fuck is this then? Gaza has been carpet bombed to rubble

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Are you deluded? Hamas hides all of their terrorists and terrorist infrastructure under and in civilian buildings. There are literally decades of reports to back this up. And what I meant is that if Israel wanted to “genocide” Gaza, there would be nothing, literally not a single Palestinian, left there. That’s what genocide means, after all.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

The West Bank is currently being settled by barbaric Israeli settlers that burn, shoot, and mob the indigenous population of the area. Talking about echo chambers while spouting the most corporate, U.S. politicians talking points as to why genocide is actually justifiable is just rich.

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Anonymous 1w

Unless you believe Jewish people weren’t genocided in the holocaust?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

My comment got deleted but by your own metrics, the holocaust would not count as a genocide?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

You are now completely changing the topic from Gaza to the West Bank (two completely different governments, btw). Fair to say you can’t counter what I said? As for the West Bank, I condemn the settlers who are violent towards the Palestinians there. But saying that’s a genocide or ethnic cleansing is an extreme stretch when the number of those violent settlers is in the hundreds, whereas there are attempted terrorist attacks paid for by the PLO (look up the West Bank Martyrs Fund)

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

if you don’t believe me, every single day.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

Oh my god you actually are a lobotomite.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

If a genocide is when all people are erased, why are there still Rwandans, Jewish people, indigenous Americans, etc?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Honey, it’s the attempted erasure of a people, not the erasure. The reason there are still Jews is because Germany was fighting a World War, and didn’t have the resources to completely annihilate the Jews (additionally, that task was impossible since there were Jews in the Middle East, Africa, other parts of Europe and North America). What I’ve said is that Israel has the resources to commit a genocide if they truly wanted to, which they don’t.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

Never a day without a genocide sympathizer. You’ll be remembered for this, and only this, just like the only thing we remember the Nazis for is their genocide and support for said genocide.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

And no, here’s the official definition of genocide boo, keywords being “in whole, or in part,” Per the UN: https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

See that initial line? “Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:”

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

Key word is “intent”, honey. As I said before, Israel has no intent of killing all of Gaza. If they did, they would all be dead!

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

You’re in no position to individually determine that, and that’s why you’re a genocide sympathizer. (Especially since multiple independent organizations have already identified intent in various areas, through the destruction of healthcare infrastructure, intentional creation of famine, destruction of water and power infrastructure, systematic targeting of mutual aid networks bringing resources to Palestinians, etc etc etc) You’re a sympathizer, just like the nazi civilians were

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

They’re pretty much doing it as fast as they possibly can without making the American public turn completely against them and stop sending foreign aid

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

I don’t have room to dispel each one of those claims individually in this thread, but if you really want to challenge yourself and get out of your echo chamber, my DMs are open and we can talk this out.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 1w

But, clearly if you’ve wisened up, then the American public has too!! I’ve seen so many protests, so clearly this strategy isn’t working for Israel. It’s almost like they aren’t trying to commit a genocide?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

You. Are. A. Sympathizer.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

bruh what is israel trying to do then? if not wipe out palestine

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

Israel has, since the war started, stated three goals for the war. 1 was the return of all Israeli hostages (whether dead or alive), which was achieved just a few days ago. 2 is the destruction of Hamas. 3 is the establishment of a new Palestinian-led government in Gaza, which will be peaceful, not run by terrorists, and improve the lives of both Palestinians and Israelis to avoid any further conflict down the line. That’s all.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

See how you’re clinging onto the last few years, when this has been a genocide rooted in colonization for DECADES? Go ahead and research the Nakba; and don’t even try to parrot your genocidal propaganda denying the ethnic cleansing that occurred during the nakba either.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

so we're actually believing what a government says at face value? a government that didn't want to murder thousands of innocents, violating cease fires, wouldn't.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 1w

There literally hasn’t been? You’re just so caught up in your echo chamber you fail to even entertain the other side. I’ve grappled with the Nakba. I understand that many unfortunately lost their homes. I also know that Ben Gurion gave each village an option: lay down your weapons, accept Israel as a valid state, and you can stay in your land and enjoy the full rights of Israeli citizenship. Look up Beit Safafa in Jerusalem, they accepted and most became citizens.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

And if you’re looking to point fingers for 1948’s war, it’s pretty much universally agreed that it was the British’s fault.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 1w

You’re a pretty good advertisement for Campbell’s.

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