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LIBERALS ARE NOT ON THE LEfT Yall need to stop conflating the two
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Anonymous 9w

Yes. Yes they are. Ideological and partisan viewpoints have converged over the last 50 years such that conservatives/republicans overlap almost 1:1 and liberals are generally Democrats. It’s been confirmed by political scientists. Dems are more ideologically diverse yes, but liberals are included within that.

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Anonymous 9w

I recommend you stop telling me what I “need” to do.

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Anonymous 9w

Liberals are middle-of-the-road or slightly right-leaning by most other first world country standards

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Anonymous 9w

Jokic isn’t tall, I’ve decided that you have to be at least 7’0” to be tall.

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Anonymous 9w

Maybe the socialists shouldn’t be in the Democratic Party then?

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 9w

They’re fully on the right. I’d say true centrists are like democratic socialists (who are really social democrats)

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Fair enough

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 9w

Okay but neither liberals or democrats are on the left? You’re just saying that liberals and democrats largely overlap, which I agree with, but you aren’t saying anything about about the left or what it means to be on the left?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Well that’s arguable, but I’d always considered ‘liberal’ as center-left, which most PSCI research seems to corroborate. Liberal is most certainly left on the spectrum of political thought in the United States though.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 9w

Okay but fuck American exceptionalism, we exist within a larger and international world and we can’t just make up our unique definitions that contradict the rest of the world?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 9w

God damn, open up a book. You can’t just invent your own definitions

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Both “Tall” and “Left” are subjective cutoffs on a spectrum. We tend to call someone tall if they are a bit taller than the average. We tend to say that someone is on the left if they are a bit to the left of average.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 9w

They’re not subjective cut offs. The current hegemonic world system is capitalism. You’re either for conserving the current system (right) or against it and want to move onto the more advanced system that has developed since the right wing system (left). Nothing about that is subjective

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 9w

What socialists are part of the democratic party lmao

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

The world isn’t Western Europe, half the world is further to the right than we are.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 9w

False. Most of the world is to the left of us. Western Europe is the right

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

India, indonesia, and pakistan are clearly to the right of us. Thats already more than 2 billion people in just 3 countries.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Thats not a standard definition. It’s just the one you’ve adopted.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 9w

That’s the definition the whole world, except for American mainstream media, has adopted wdym 😭

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Citation needed

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

Mamdami, AOC?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 9w

Liberals. Not socialists. And on the right

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

So what is the DSA to you?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 9w

Well in theory it is a big tent organization that supposedly leaves room for actual leftists aka socialists. But in reality, it is a safe haven for social democrats looking to reform capitalism thru electoralism

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 9w

I “need” you to stfu

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