Anonymous blue__wave 4w

What would you attribute the problem to then? I agree that it’s not ENTIRELY the fault of people voting esp since there are systemic things in place that do shit regardless of who is in power, but I also think it’s fair to place at least a little responsibility on voters. I mean, if it didn’t matter, nobody would vote right?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Why did you ask this question?

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Anonymous #3 4w

No it is the responsibility of voters but that doesn’t mean elections are bad lol. We have societal problems probably stemming from problems with how our media works and probably the rapid social change because of technology.

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Anonymous #3 4w

And also probably just a general apathy problem. But the solution isn’t elections bad.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Zoom out. Earth is one big neighborhood. Injustice everywhere is a threat to justice everywhere n all that.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I can agree with that. Anyone saying elections are bad are just using that as a guise to cover their desire to get rid of democracy

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Anonymous #3 4w

Inflammatory hyperbole isn’t helpful.

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Anonymous #1 4w

So… you’re saying that people categorically aren’t being killed and disappeared?

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Anonymous #1 4w

So just sitting and doing nothing when injustice is very much happening is?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Not at all what I said

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Anonymous #3 4w

When did I say that?

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Anonymous #1 4w

“inflammatory hyperbole” were th’ exact words used

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Which means something completely different

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Anonymous #1 4w

What about OP’s statement do you believe to be an inflammatory hyperbole?

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Anonymous #3 4w

It feels like you’re intentionally trying to not understand

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Bc voting is what got Trump in power, so you have to vote to get someone out of power.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

We need to elect someone with different billionaires funding their campaign to fix our fragile democracy

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m asking you to explain yourself in your own words so I don’t misinterpret what you’re saying. Isn’t that a good thing?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I’m not saying that the problem is voting, I’m saying voting is not the solution. Specifically voting for corporate parties

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Anonymous ceo_of_antifa 4w

Yes I’m saying it’s the solution unless you have other alternatives.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Candidates vary on where their funding is from, and ultimately they’re elected by people and incentivized by that vote.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

If candidates were incentivized by votes, Kamala would’ve listened to her base and won lmao

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

What did she not listen on?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

And your just agreeing with me lol. If she didn’t listen to your voters and she didn’t get elected then that’s what I’m saying.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The genocide in Palestine? I recall being told that I was a “single issue voter” because I wouldn’t support a zionist candidate lmao

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Ok sure I think that’s a good specific example what policy should she have had related to that issue, and what poll do you have to show that should’ve been her policy?

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Or just evidence in general.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The uncommitted movement? “I’m speaking” when asked to address the topic? In every election since 2012 new voters skewed overwhelmingly democratic. Kamala managed to break that streak. Many previous Biden voters actually switched to Trump in ‘24 per Catalist’s “What happened in 2024” report Screenshot from “'Uncommitted' leaders stand by 2024 strategy after Trump floats Gaza takeover” By Sahil Kapur and Yamiche Alcindor

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Even Bernie said so: “While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they're right. "Will the big money interests and well-paid consultants who control the Democratic Party learn any real lessons from this disastrous campaign? Probably not.” Bernie vs. Nancy: Dems' working-class reckoning, Zachary Basu, 10/10/2024

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Anonymous #5 4w

What Europe also has is more options; more parties. They aren’t limited to 2

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

(Poll: Democratic voters prefer "populism" over "abundance" Hans Nichols, 05/28/2025) In fairness this survey was taken after the election, but now that they’ve found something likely to resonate, why not push it? Because they’re banking on people being so tired of MAGA, they’ll vote blue anyways.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Bernie is independent except when he’s running for president him saying democrat = bad isn’t a new thing

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Yeah I think Gaza had an effect in maybe some key regions with mena voters but I think ultimately older generations (which are high propensity voters) generally support Israel. Also it just wasn’t a big issue compared to affordability.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Also I agree there was a negative trend but I think again it was more about the perception of affordability under democratic leadership.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Kamala was already Populist it depends how he’s defining these terms. Like push what? What are we talking about specifically?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

It’s a short article on AXIOS about two differing policy strategies democrats have come up with. In the context of the article they’re well defined

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

So just looking at what it says in the article maybe it went deeper but it just summarized both policy directions one saying essentially “corporations = bad” and the other “bottlenecks = bad” . I feel like Kamala did a lot of corporations = bad she talked a lot about price gauging etc.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I feel she went pretty hard into the populism narrative I don’t remember her talking about abundance much but maybe I’m miss remembering.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

These two policy directions are new; as I said this survey and the retreat occurred after the election. Now that the democrats ostensibly have some direction, it’d be good to see them start pushing that way. Sorry if the timeline got muddled at all, there

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I mean sure what narrative people want to grab onto. Like at this point I’m just hoping people are tired of the insane shit literally every week.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

It’s got to be more than the insane shit going away. Trump is a feature of this country, not a bug

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I think abundance isn’t a very compelling narrative to the average person. I think it’s an ok idea i haven’t got super into though.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

I agree it’s a feature. I just think it’s more than billionaires I think there’s a deeper social fabric issue mainly driven by technology and people’s struggle to socially adapt to it. Like grandpa isn’t ready for the 24/7 propaganda machine that is Facebook or x.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I’m not convinced it’s tech exclusively or even primarily. Material conditions have been worsening for basically everyone with inflation, and that anxiety has lead to a nation on edge. Additionally, Americans are aware that this country is losing ground on the world stage, and that worries most of them too.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Yeah I think people are worried about affordability and global dominance but I don’t think Trump is a logical solution to either of those things. I think if we’re purely talking about the 2024 election, that was primarily driven by inflation. But I think Trump as a figure could only exist in a world where lies are widely accepted as true.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Like I can’t think of another president in American history that got his fame (in politics) by spreading conspiracies, esp that one of his political opponents was secretly from Africa. Or openly talking shit on veterans, or straight up just trying the coup the government. There’s a big reality gap in these things I feel like any of that should have been disqualifying.

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Anonymous boariskarloff 4w

Or doing 180s on no wars, the deficit, Free speech, Epstein and people just defend it bc the media machine is hard at work.

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