Anonymous #1 18w

capitalism is dictated by a logic of infinite growth in the pursuit of profit. capitalism is the cancer

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Anonymous _orangutan 18w

And socialism isn’t?

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Bro socialism kills millions

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Anonymous #1 18w

Capitalism kills billions

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Anonymous stoner22 18w

How?

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“Nuh uh”

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Anonymous #1 18w

Lack of healthcare, poverty, the endless wars for resources and to feed the capitalist class.

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Anonymous #5 18w

CEOs are useless parasites

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Anonymous stoner22 18w

How are you going to make executive decisions in this perfect system?

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Anonymous stoner22 18w

18yr old polisci minor take It’s a necessary role, It’s just always filled by nepos. #3 said it for me.

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Idk if you can really call the Irish potato famine a product of capitalism. Moreso just… theft. Not capitalist theft, just literal theft. Englishmen coming in and stealing ppls cattle n grain n shit

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Anonymous #6 18w

colonialism: it’s what white settlers did everywhere

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Lolol you literally just said that 😂😂😂

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Bro you just said the stupidest thing, it’s hilarious 😂 and you don’t even know it

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Anonymous _orangutan 18w

This is a grave oversimplification of the potato famine. Also, Irish people are white, so that’s a weird distinction. They didn’t even settle in huge numbers, they didn’t colonize so much as they just pillaged and pillaged and pillaged and then went home, which was next door. No need to live there. And then we got northern Ireland. So eventually yes, colonialism- but with an asterisk, later on Colonialism is also not synonymous with capitalism though, and was originally born from mercantilism.

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Anonymous #1 18w

I know your brain is straining and struggling to comprehend that supply can eclipse demand, but that doesn’t mean what they said is stupid. It’s accurate.

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Anonymous #6 18w

Not talking to you

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You just admitted that there’s plenty of food under capitalism

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Anonymous #1 18w

Yeah, but I’m talking to you. You’re a dumbass, and just don’t have a response. Not slick.

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Anonymous #6 18w

Not taking bait

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Under socialism there’s no food whatsoever?! Are you really not getting this?!

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Anonymous #1 18w

(The bait is intellectual discourse)

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“Nuh uh”

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Anonymous #6 18w

You’re incapable of that

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Anonymous #1 18w

Explain supply and demand challenge

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Anonymous #6 18w

Are you joking? You don’t know what supply and demand is?

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How do you ensure that productivity remains high if workers choose to do less work or slack off?

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You’re saying it’s greed?

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I think we’re in agreeance, but I may be phrasing myself wrong. In my mind colonization is more methodical and institutional. The English basically just took shit and said too bad. There wasn’t even really a false semblance of “legality” even by their own terms, they just sorta did it. Pillaging, I believe I called it. Tons of land went to the English, but they did not populate that land as often as they did farm it. They didn’t settle en masse, is what I mean.

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Never said it was?? The laws existed for extraction of resources primarily. Capitalism implies exploitative trade, but there was no trade happening for the majority of the famine!! Just theft. Exploitation is not unique to capitalism, nor born from it. Are we going to say the romans were capitalist now? The Hans? Like what is this? Not every system of finance that isn’t socialism is capitalism lmao. Jesus Christ.

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There is no way you just posted an screenshot of an AI summary as if it’s a gotcha. There just isn’t.

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Agreed! This applies both ways though. Greed and exploitation kills in many forms, and under many names. Put side by side, capitalism looks worse. But they should not be put side by side in the first place, and people often miscategorize feudalism mercantilism or hybrid systems as modern day late stage capitalism, in order to make this stat more palatable to its intended audience.

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Not by this point, no. England was broadly transitioning throughout the 19th century- I do not agree with the idea that favorites = capitalism. While the role of monarchy at this point was mostly symbolic, Lordships still held moderate power, as opposed to US monopolists and barons. State capitalism, maybe. But not what we’d call it today. Theft is a part of capitalism, I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said that COLONIALISM is generally more bureaucratic than what historically happened in Ireland.

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Anonymous #6 18w

Factories*

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Yes, parts of Northern Ireland were settled. The majority of the country, though heavily impeded, did remain unsettled though. And that’s why in *the rest* of Ireland, the majority of people are Irish, and the culture is also relatively preserved, and distinct from that of England. According to the 2022 census, 40% of Irish people still even speak Gaelic to some extent. This is my point.

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The fissure comes in that I think a lot of y’all are misusing the terms, while also using them interchangeably. I do not think the exploitation of the third world is colonialist, I think it is empirical, as actual occupation is much scarcer, and less protected by law I will also note that occupation does not inherently equal colonization. India was occupied, Ireland was occupied, South Africa was colonized. Australia was colonized.

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Anonymous #6 18w

And the US. Obviously. Among many others.

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Would you consider china to be operating under the same principles as the United States? Because no, it’s not really capitalism in the sense people tend to use the term. Like it just isn’t. The means of production were not owned under feudalism, either. Feudalism is not capitalism. In mercantile times, merchants and artisans DID often own their means of production. Was that socialism? Or does socialism have to be organized? Or is socialism just welfare? Y’all can be so trigger happy sometimes.

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So, “ethnic cleansing” only applies when the ethnicity is effectively cleansed. This is what I mean, you guys kind of just say shit. Not every effort of the British empire was colonial, nor effective. Ireland was NOT desired for its livability, it was desired for its farmability, keeping the mainland free for industrial development and growth. Killed. You mean killed. Slaughtered, if you want a dramatic word. Not cleansed, because the Irish are still going strong in both domestic and abroad.

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The anglo population at large also declined after the Romans had their way. They were still not “cleansed”, and they went on to copy their forebearers and take over the world for a while. But even then, the loss of old runic languages had a significant impact on culture. Still not cleansed, matter of fact quite the opposite. Your terminology is skewed, and it frustrates me how unable you are to see it, so I’m going to give up on you now. Be well.

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Sure, neocolonialism. The terms are not interchangeable though, at all. Few “neo”terms are, hence the prefix meaning “new”. New colonialism is not the same as old colonialism. They’re both based in exploitation, but the latter involves replacing native populations and cultures with colonists, while the former is purely economical. “Economic colonialism” is an accurate term that I wish people would use. I have read Marx when I was a tankie teenager, but haven’t retained a ton of it to memory.

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That’s actually a good example, but one that I haven’t researched extensively, so cannot comment on too much. Another example here would be china, which is basically taking on the role of a loan shark in many parts of Africa, acquiring land through predatory contracts, building infrastructure, and then not upholding deals to provide it to the population, keeping the facilities Chinese. They’re doing so both for regional influence, and finance. In most modern cases though, it is a fitting term.

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Libertarian capitalism is not what you’re describing at all. Your oversimplifications are getting extremely old. Productivity is not the goal under capitalism’s PROFIT is. China operates much differently.

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Some did, many didn’t. Independent business was common during the era though, moreso than now at least. There have always been and will always be power struggles in every form of economy.

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Right, but a key facet of modern capitalism IS individual profit, not societal. Yes, there is. Wtf are you talking about? There are dozens of schools of thought relating to capitalism. Legalization of weed is a libertarian policy, lack of regulation in food is a libertarian policy, private monopolization is a libertarian’s wet dream.

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