Anonymous #1 2w

You’re welcome to that opinion. I’d be curious to hear what views of mine you think are evil. Personally I’d consider excusing murder by the federal government only because it targeted someone who disagreed with you politically to be evil. What have I done or said that you think is evil?

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

I assume u hold liberal views of which inherently are not evil but from my perspective are labeled as such because they oppose my values. For example if you are a proponent of excessive expression, which many liberals are, I’d say that is evil by my own definition. My values have been embedded in me through nature, but it is what I am comfortable with now, anything opposing this randomly configured value set of mine is evil.

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Anonymous #1 2w

I wouldn’t call a basic opposition of values itself evil, in most cases. That’s an odd way to view morality, and either I’m getting baited (sorry if not but it happens way too often) or that’s a very narrow minded way to view things. I think if a value or perspective you hold brings harm or hardship onto others, that I would consider evil. What do you mean by “excessive expression”? I can’t say I’ve heard the term before

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

I want to preface my next comment by saying thank you for taking this conversation in a much more respectful manner than what I am used to on this app. I am not baiting, maybe being dramatic, but the substance of what I am saying stands. Yes, not everything tha opposes my values is “evil” but it can be if it directly impacts my table of values.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

What I mean by excessive expression is the idea that within society individuals will place more emphasis on their personal identity over what traditional society has deemed as correct. LGBTQ community is a prime example. It erodes stability.there is an argument that my world view(relativism) is exactly the same, true to an extent, but also in society I abide by traditional values and do not attempt to erode them through personal transvaluation. It’s conscious acceptance, which we need more of.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Yeah of course, and thank you as well. I try my best to stay respectful unless somebody’s actively attacking me or somebody else. I think I understand what you’re saying. The only disconnect I think is happening comes from what you mean by evil. Like for me, even if something directly goes against my values and opinions, as long as it isn’t bringing harm to others I wouldn’t consider that to be “evil.” Do I disagree with it? Sure. But I wouldn’t deem it evil

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Anonymous #1 2w

You’re kinda losing me with this one. What do you mean by “it erodes stability?” I do agree conscious acceptance is something we need more of, and that applies all ways, without exception

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

Well that’s your own world view. That’s not an objective system. Nothing is objective, but things can be thought to be such. Nietzsche present this argument well. Belief in religion provides an objective sense of right and wrong, but if there is no god then morality is contingent on each individuals personal feelings. If you are not religious your idea of evil stems from your own beliefs not a system that tells you that for fact.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

If 100 people conform to something accepted then that system is stable insofar as there are no dissenting views. Excessive expression implies that one’s identity is greater than the consensus system, therefore, creating dissenting opinions and eroding the stability of that system.

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Anonymous #1 2w

I disagree with that. I think some things are subjective to the individual based on their own beliefs, but there are also some that are objective, like rape, murder, etc. I also disagree that religion can provide anything objective. You’re using an old ass book that was written by some random dude and rewritten countless times over centuries to determine what you believe is right or wrong. Instead of forming your own beliefs and opinions, you’re taking the word of a guy who claims to talk to god

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

Which I guess inherently under the logic you suggested would be my own worldview anyhow. But in that regard, we’re all absolutely entitled to our own beliefs

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Anonymous #1 2w

Again that’s a very small-minded way to view things. Rather than think of it as eroding this system of heteronormative beliefs, I see it more as establishing a new system, where anyone is accepted regardless of the identity they hold. Nobody’s trying to put themselves above the system, they just wish to be an accepted part of that system.

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

Yes I wouldn’t be comfortable in that system based on the values instilled in me through my environment, I understand how you would want that new system. Exactly why it could be deemed “evil” if it ever came to pass.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Why wouldn’t you feel comfortable in that system? And while a fair point that your values are instilled by your environment, is it unreasonable to say that as you live and learn your values should shift? That as you gain more understanding of how things work, you yourself would become more understanding? Like, your perspective feels very rigid and fixed, but I feel like it’s important for some of our values to be fluid and adapt to a changing world

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

But that requires action to change my values, I don’t feel convinced to act.

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Anonymous #1 2w

I’m of the opinion that we should always act to keep ourselves educated and up to date in our understanding of the world and its people. Hypothetically, what would convince you to act?

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

A convincing argument. I was liberal/ socialist for a very long time. I was a Catholic and believed that the teachings of Jesus were more aligned with the Democratic Party. I have since lost my faith and belief in God. Now I believe what is right is what is most comfortable for me and I believe in transvaluation to an extent.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Interesting. I think there’s a fundamental disconnect in the basis of how we see morality altogether. I’m of the belief that what is “right” is that which is for the betterment of all, rather than just myself. Unfortunately I do think I’m gonna have to leave this conversation here, because if we go further things are likely to get a little hostile, but I do appreciate the respect and honesty you had with this discussion, and I hope you have a good rest of your day

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Anonymous perry_theplatypus 2w

As well with you

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