Anonymous #1 6d

i’d argue both play a massive role, but generally speaking Christians will defend the church, even with the full knowledge that the church has defended or hidden pedophilia

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Anonymous OP 6d

Yeah, this is true, I would argue it’s not in the spirit of Christianity and is co-opted by people to justify all sorts of undesirable acts

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Anonymous #1 6d

It’s less so about the principles, though again, I can argue that they innately drive that defense but it’s more of the religion is being used as a tool to defend things that don’t fit a narrative

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Anonymous OP 6d

yeah, it’s a way of rationalizing a world view even if it’s inconsistent

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Anonymous #2 6d

And you can claim they’re not christians but in reality that’s the ideological stance they hold in politics and outside are that if the christian faith. And regardless of what any christian does people like you will dismiss it which only serves to prove my point

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Anonymous OP 6d

You shouldn’t hear that someone is practicing devil worship and think they’re a Christian because in public they say they are. There’s so many verses about that. Understanding that those people aren’t Christian is substantiated by the faith. You can’t be a Christian and be the antithesis of what the founder stood for

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Anonymous #2 6d

You can’t arbitrarily decide who is and isn’t christian. Christians raped people during the crusades, they wrote letters to try and preserve slavery, the catholic church has been caught hiding sexual abuse of children. You dismissing that christians do bad things only serves to benefit rapists and pedophiles who know you’ll defend them behind the guise of religious dogma

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Anonymous OP 6d

If someone is actively worshipping the devil then they’re clearly not a Christian though ?

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Anonymous #2 6d

There’s no legitimate evidence any of these people were “worshipping the devil” maybe they were engaging in satanist style rituals, or sacrifices, but there’s quite literally 0’proof to suggest they ever explicitly endorsed worshipping the devil. You’re acting as if you’re the arbiter of what a christian is.

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Anonymous OP 6d

You’ll never convince me that eating and raping minors is anything less than satanic, if you need to believe that’s what Christian’s do then that’s your rabbit hole to go down

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Anonymous #2 6d

So the catholic church isn’t christian to you? They don’t believe in God? Since they have admitted to hiding and destroying evidence of sexual abuse of minors?

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Anonymous OP 6d

I do take issue with catholic teachings actually, i follow Jesus not a church. That’s why I brought up scripture, because it supports that those people who you claim are Christian are not. Luke 6:46-49 Matthew 7:15-21 Matthew 6:1. I do wholly believe in repentance and redemption, but that comes with true change and striving to live like Jesus, not living in secrecy pride and wealth. That’s not following Christ

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Anonymous #2 6d

I didn’t ask if you took issue with catholic teachings. Read what I asked you and answer THAT question.

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Anonymous OP 6d

If I thought Catholicism was correct, I’d be Catholic. I’m not Catholic, which must mean I don’t think it’s correct. I reject the Catholic Church authority, and I believe a Christian is a person who follows Jesus. If you are actively NOT following Jesus’ teachings, you are not a Christian. The verses above support that

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Anonymous #2 6d

So not a single person in the church is christian? Thats your argument?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Lowkey I think it’s completely incorrect and bad that Catholics pray to the dead, I’d never do it, but I can’t speak on what that means for them when all is said and done. However, that’s really different from the pure evil of performing satanic worship/rituals/sacrifices soooo you’re comparing apples to oranges here

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Anonymous #2 6d

I didn’t ask if you thought it was incorrect. Do you believe that the church does not believe in God, that they don’t subscribe to the christian faith?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Sure I think Catholics believe in God but that doesn’t make you a Christian. The people who performed satanist rituals believed in God too they just were actively defying him. Read the verses plz it should make my stance clear 🤓

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Anonymous OP 6d

Like one group is worshipping God in a way that I can’t get behind and the other is performing satanic rituals- they’re not comparable

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Anonymous #2 6d

Why do you assume I haven’t? I know more about the christian faith than you do. I study theology as a masters student lol. Which is exactly why I’m able to say and push you on the fact that you can’t arbitrarily decide someone isn’t christian because they don’t do what you want them to do. Regardless, my point stands. For every evil thing a Christian does you will be there to defend and dismiss that behavior.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Again, you’ve never proven that they actually worshipped satan. The crusaders raped people. Don’t see you calling their entire church/congregation unchristian.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Unfortunately you do not know more than me about my own faith, and you can keep trying to argue that the people performing satanic rituals were somehow Christian but it’s inherently illogical, and you’ve yet to offer a coherent argument stating otherwise

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Anonymous #2 6d

You’ve yet to provide any evidence they legitimately worshipped satan. Sacrifices aren’t exclusively satanic either about mentioning the approximately 50,000 people who were executed for witchcraft at the hands of christians. Don’t see you saying they weren’t real christians.

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Anonymous OP 6d

You said yourself they performed satanic rituals and sacrifices which are forms of worship, and did you not see the temple on the island? That’s a God forsaken place fosho. If you’re actively going against Jesus’ teachings then you are not a Christian I’ve been consistent on that

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Anonymous #2 6d

I said MAYBE they were. It’s easy to read when you know what the words mean. I’m granting the idea that, that is a real hypothetical. You’ve shown no proof but they actually worship Satan. so you never go against Jesus’s teachings ever?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Of course but again…. I believe in repentance and redemption. Before I truly discovered Jesus I called myself a Christian but I was not one. Jesus changed my life. He can change yours too

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Anonymous #2 6d

That’s not what you said. You said “if you’re actively going against Jesus’ teachings…you are no Christian” And you’re admitting that you do actively go against him. “Of course”

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Anonymous OP 6d

You’ve shown no proof that they’re Christian BTW except that they have outwardly called themselves Christians, which I’ve provided explanations & scripture as to how it does not work like that

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Anonymous OP 6d

Like of course I have, im not perfect. I did actively go against Jesus and during that time I was not a Christian. Things are different now, im not perfect but I do walk with Jesus. I’m not eating and raping minors tho you know

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Anonymous #2 6d

So you think it doesn’t matter what people say? It doesn’t matter how people identify cause if you don’t personally agree then you can decide what they are?

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Anonymous #2 6d

i’m not saying that you did hurt children. I’m using your logic though. You said anybody who does that thing is not Christian and you admitted to doing that thing.

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Anonymous OP 6d

No I don’t think that the words you say are meaningful unless your actions back them up. Liars exist

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Anonymous OP 6d

I also said (so many times) that I believe in redemption and repentance. Jesus is for everybody. You’re misunderstanding me

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Anonymous #2 6d

Great, then you’re not christian. Applying your own logic, where you told me what doesn’t qualify you as a Christian and you admitting to going against Jesus’s teachings. And the fact that you can’t actually prove with facts that they didn’t fact, worship Satan, and not just perform some ritualistic sacrifice then you’re not a real Christian.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I mean believe what you want but im saved by grace, you can be too. I’m now actively following what Jesus taught, thus I am a Christian. When I was not, I wasn’t a Christian. And evidence certainly points more towards satanism than Christianity. What do you think they were doing in the temple

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Anonymous OP 6d

Using your logic though, me saying I am a Christian should be enough for you to accept that I am a Christian. So it’s interesting that now here you are, saying im not

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Anonymous #2 6d

You admitted you weren’t lol. You admitted that “of course” and you said nothing about repenting in that qualifier. So before it was “they’re worshipping satan” and now it’s “evidence LEADS that way”

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Anonymous #2 6d

It is, that’s why I know they were Christian when they committed those acts. I’m using YOUR logic to show how you’re not really a christian if you’re being consistent with the standards you’re applying to others.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I literally in the same comment did say repentance and redemption and had been saying that, this is how I know you’re not reading my responses. It’s still theyre worshiping satan, based on the evidence. The only “evidence” you can bring to the table is that some of them said they’re Christian which it’s wild that’s enough for you

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Anonymous OP 6d

You need to study Christian doctrine further. All love

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Anonymous #2 6d

No you didn’t lol.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Which is it, do you have proof they ever legitimately worshipped satan or do you just think they did because they did sacrifices?

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Anonymous OP 6d

So if you’re actively going against Jesus’ teachings you’re not repenting, when I was actively going against Jesus’ teachings I was not a Christian. I am now following Jesus and am a Christian (been telling u this), thus my point remains Again i consider human sacrifice and cannibalism to be satanic, whether that’s what they were going for or not. Plz don’t talk to me about proof when the only “proof” you need to believe it is for it to come out of someone’s mouth

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Anonymous OP 6d

What do you think that temple was for? Why do you think they consumed humans ? I would like to know what explanation you have

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Anonymous #2 6d

When I asked if you were you said “of course” And since you did those things, you’re not a christian, nothing in your own requirements said anything about repenting.

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Anonymous #2 6d

You considering something satanic doesn’t actually make it that factually.

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Anonymous #2 6d

My burden of proof for an act that you claim to be happening is different than the thing you say you believe in. Nice try conflating the two but that’s a moronic argument lol. Now show the proof since you said it happened

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Anonymous #2 6d

Questions aren’t proof. Try again.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Kind of like someone claiming to be Christian doesn’t make it so? Not an answer! What is your explanation for the sacrifices and cannibalism and why did they have that temple on the island? Super misplaced compared to everything else there

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Anonymous #2 6d

I believe you when you say you have a specific belief system. I don’t believe you when you say something happened because that can be fact checked with external proof. Try again. Hurry up.

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Anonymous #2 6d

You asking questions isn’t proof for a claim you made lol.

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Anonymous OP 6d

So you have no explanation at all or you’re unwilling to answer. Weird

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Anonymous OP 6d

I’m genuinely asking questions that I guess you have no answer to?

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Anonymous #2 6d

I’m waiting for that proof! Questions aren’t proof. They’re excuses for when you know you’re lying lol

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Anonymous #2 6d

And I’m genuinely asking for external proof. Which I guess you have none

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Anonymous OP 6d

You’re not in a position to be asking me for proof when you yourself also have no proof that those people were Christian’s😂 there is no burden of proof here, we realistically might not ever know for sure. I believe that human sacrifice and cannibalism is evil and satanic. It shocks me that a real life person takes such issue with that. Explain why you disagree

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Anonymous #2 6d

Okay so you’re saying things you know you can’t prove lol. When someone states they have a belief system, there is no way for me to know what’s truly going on inside their head. I can however see when things happen. So when you say “they did this thing” and I ask “what’s your proof” and you have questions, that’s not proof that thing happened. That’s your excuse for what you interpreted.

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Anonymous #2 6d

Explain why I disagree with you claiming they worshipped satan when there’s no proof they ever did?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Your refusal to answer ANYTHING I say is bizarre. Why is that btw? And what’s your explanation for the temple and human sacrifice and cannibalism again?

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Anonymous #2 6d

With external proof

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Anonymous #2 6d

I’m asking a clarifying question so I know what you’re asking moron. You’ve just now for the first time acknowledged that you don’t have any proof for that claim. Let not talk about refusals here.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Not an answer. Try again

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Anonymous #2 6d

I can’t answer if I don’t know what you’re asking. Try again.

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Anonymous OP 6d

This convo is essentially “They’re Christian” “what’s your proof” “they said so” “They’re satanic” “what’s your proof” “human sacrifice and cannibalism” “that doesn’t make any sense” lol

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Anonymous #2 6d

Cannibalism or sacrifice isn’t exclusive to satanism. That’s a fact. YOU said they were “worshipping Satan” your words. I asked you for an explicit example of when they specifically did that. Cannibalism, is done by tons of religions and cultures. So are human sacrifices. So no your feelings on those things aren’t proof they were “worshipping satan” That is why Im asking for explicit evidence of that exact thing

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Anonymous OP 6d

Explain why you disagree that those things are evil and satanic OR offer an explanation for why they did those things. I welcome either as I’ve asked both several times

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Anonymous OP 6d

Just because it’s done by lots of cultures makes it not satanic?

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Anonymous #2 6d

I just explained why that’s not exclusive to satanism. I’d love for you to show me when I said it wasn’t evil. I’ll wait, since you love lying. To be very clear as well, I’d like to know, since I actually do know this information, what holy text/doctrine practice/ etc endorses cannibalism within the satanist religion?

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Anonymous OP 6d

I’m not claiming that modern, organized Satanist groups have doctrines that require cannibalism or human sacrifice. That’s not what I mean. I’m speaking morally and symbolically. Satan represents evil and the inversion of moral order. In ancient times, many cultures sacrificed humans or practiced extreme rituals to gods that demanded it. From my worldview those gods arent neutral, they represent the same evil that satan represents.

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Anonymous OP 6d

So when I say it’s satanic and satanic worship I don’t mean it’s a religious doctrine I mean those things align with what satan symbolizes- destruction of human dignity and violence justified as sacred. Something doesn’t need to be written into religion to be satanic in nature

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Anonymous #2 6d

No but there does need to have external support for a claim like “they’re worshipping satan”

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