Anonymous #1 22w

Are you asking if I support C-sections? Yes lmao

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Not if you support c section because a c section is not an abortion but would you support an abortion at that point?

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Anonymous #1 22w

Right… a c-section. Yes I do support a c-section

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Anonymous #1 22w

What surgical procedure would they use to remove a baby 2 days before it’s due

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

If it was an abortion, they would kill the baby before they removed it

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Anonymous #1 22w

I’m asking if you think that would still be ok

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Anonymous #1 22w

How would they do that

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

By doing a late term abortion

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Anonymous #1 22w

I support c-sections, yes

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Anonymous #1 22w

What surgical procedure would they use to remove the baby at 2 days before labor

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

They would either induce labor or have a C-section but do you believe they should be allowed to kill the baby before said procedure by preforming an abortion? I understand that you are trying to ignore the important part of my question though

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Anonymous #1 22w

What method do they use to kill the baby two days before labor while it is still inside the mother? What verified cases have there been where an emergency c-section is performed in the last week of pregnancy and it is not to protect the life of the baby or mother?

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Medication Injection: The doctor uses an ultrasound-guided needle to inject a high dose of medication (such as digoxin or potassium chloride) directly into the amniotic sac, umbilical cord, or fetal heart. This induces fatal cardiac arrest.

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

What verified cases have there been where an emergency c-section was performed in the last week of pregnancy without the goal being to protect the life of the mother or baby? How many exactly? More than 100? More than 1,000?

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Anonymous #1 22w

What verified cases have there been where an emergency c-section was performed in the last week of pregnancy without the goal being to protect the life of the mother or baby? How many exactly? More than 100? More than 1,000?

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Again I said it’s a hypothetical so in that hypothetical case would you say an abortion should be allowed

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Anonymous #1 22w

What exactly is the hypothetical that you’re proposing?

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Hypothetically a mother is due any day with a child and decides she no longer wants said child for some reason or another and wants an abortion that would result in the death of the unborn baby should she be allowed to get an abortion then

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Anonymous #1 22w

How likely is that to happen

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

That doesn’t matter it’s a hypothetical

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Anonymous #1 22w

What’s the significance of this dilemma if it’s an absurdly unlikely hypothetical

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Because if any and all abortions are allowed it is a possibility no matter how slim it could happen and it also depending on your answer leads to some more interesting questions

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Anonymous #1 22w

Why would such an extremely unlikely thing have any bearing on the reality we experience? It’s essentially a non-issue,,, unless the goal is the extract a concession to then extrapolate wild conclusions based on a principle that in practice never encounters this dilemma in the first place

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

*is to extract

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Because if yes, it should be allowed. I’d want to know what you think changes at the moment of birth that says that baby is more worthy of life, and if you said no I’d want to know exactly when the cut off is for you for what makes an abortion bad how long before birth is bad

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Anonymous #1 22w

A woman’s rights over her own body always takes precedent

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Anonymous #1 22w

The morality and legality of abortion do not depend on proving that a fetus is not a person. Even if it is a person, no person has an unlimited right to another person's body.

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Ok so a new born baby is handed to you in a pool your life is not at risk but for whatever reason you can’t put it on the side of the pool do you have the right to drop it in the water and let it drown because the baby doesn’t have a right to your body

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Anonymous #1 22w

A closer analogy would be whether | can be legally forced to give the baby my kidney, blood, or bone marrow if that's the only way to save its life. In most legal systems, the answer is no,, even if the baby will die without it.

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Answer the question because my question also involves another person using your body

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Anonymous #1 22w

the baby isn't using my organs, bloodstream, uterus, or other bodily functions as life support. Holding a baby for a few moments is not comparable to being compelled to sustain someone's life with your body for months

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Well then we return back to the abortion at the very end should it be allowed even though it’s only a few days till birth and there are ways to remove the baby and let them live on their own or should the mother be allowed complete bodily autonomy to kill the child

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Anonymous #1 22w

If a fetus is viable and can be safely delivered alive, then I don't see why ending the pregnancy requires killing it. My position is that bodily autonomy protects the right to end a pregnancy. Once ending the pregnancy and preserving the fetus's life are both possible, the ethical question changes.

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Anonymous #1 22w

At that point, you’re no longer testing the bodily-autonomy argument. The mother’s bodily autonomy has already been satisfied by ending the pregnancy. You’re asking whether a viable fetus that could be delivered alive may nevertheless be intentionally killed. That’s a separate question.

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Yes it’s the question of the hierarchy of ideal abortions which you now admit exists thank you and goodnight

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Anonymous #1 22w

In the scenario you described, if the fetus is viable and can safely survive outside the womb, then ending the pregnancy via abortion doesn’t require killing it. The pregnancy can be ended by delivery or C-section. That’s why your hypothetical doesn’t challenge the bodily-autonomy argument. Bodily autonomy is about whether someone can be compelled to remain pregnant. If the pregnancy can be ended and the fetus can live, then the bodily-autonomy issue has already been resolved.

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Anonymous #1 22w

Like, this doesn’t establish a hierarchy lmao. In no world is a person declaring their viable child should be killed “just because.” That hypothetical doesn’t exist in reality

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Anonymous #1 22w

Dude doesn’t even know what an abortion is or the medical goal 💀

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

Over 95% of abortions are done for elective reasons son non emergency or Rape, where there are other options for the baby. Over 60% of abortions are preformed on African Americans when they make up around 13% of the population if they were truly give a choice they’d have more options for support than just abortion. Teens need to be given proper education and access to birth control. Society also needs to stop pressuring young women and girls into thinking sex is needed to keep a relationship

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Anonymous #1 22w

The goal of an abortion is to end a pregnancy. That is the only medical goal. The right to an abortion isn’t just a blank check to do whatever. Sometimes ending a pregnancy still results in a viable baby, hence emergency cesareans. In no scenario is a woman deciding 72 hours before a normal baby is due that “ope, oh well, I guess I don’t want it” and even if she did, the baby would be removed and not killed. It’s simply not something that would happen

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Anonymous #1 22w

I’d take a gander to guess that most abortions don’t happen in the last trimester. It’s 100% the right of the woman to decide what happens with her body. And yeah, sex ed should be better, but abortion should always be an option. Ones right over their own body is one of the most important rights.

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Anonymous #1 22w

If after an abortion the baby can survive outside the mother, great, if after an abortion it cannot (because the fetus isn’t fully developed or whatnot, or other health reasons) then such is the way. A woman has zero responsibility to give her body without consent.

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

The purpose of an abortion is to kill the baby before it is removed late term abortions they inject medicine to stop the baby’s heart they don’t just remove it

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Anonymous #1 22w

If it’s not viable maybe. But no, the purpose of an abortion is to end a pregnancy.

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Anonymous george_carlin_ 22w

By terminating it

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Anonymous #1 22w

Yes, terminating the pregnancy. If the baby can survive without the mom great, if it can’t, welp

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