Anonymous #1 3w

Eh I think the republicans are less bothered by compromises that end up hurting people, they line up behind trump pretty obediently most of the time

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

Well, I think in that regard wether we want to admit it or not things weren’t that simple. I think its a fair criticism to point out that Kamala didn’t take a stronger anti-Israel stance. It’s unfair to paint it as if she was Israels biggest cheerleader when she did indeed criticize them on Gaza which was more than Biden or Trump did.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I mean I don’t think it’s too complicated either, was it debatable even then that Israel was committing war crimes with our weapons? I’m a bit hazy with the particulars because they’ve done so much blatantly illegal shit but I think even then most world leaders acknowledged their collective punishment efforts as illegal. That or sniping children or raping hostages or anything else that was widely reported on

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

What did she really do more than biden? The most he ever did was temporarily delay weapons and wave his finger a bit. The most she ever did was essentially wave her finger a bit. I think it was as strongly worded as ‘Israel has a right to defend themselves but they have to do it the right way’ with nothing else said about enforcing that. To me thats one and the same. I think the pro Palestine contingency agrees with me there, that’s why they were mostly undecided nonvoting or voted for trump

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I think in general when it comes to Israel and Americas relationship, distancing ourselves from Israel is not going to happen overnight, it can’t. Thats a 60 year + alliance. Now do I think Kamala would have been the first small step? I do, it was noted that her and Benjamin Netanyahu did not have a good relationship (Zeta Phi Beta incident is one example). From a strategic standpoint I don’t think it was best not to support Kamala because what did that get anyone on the left?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I also think while its a valid valid valid criticism to say she did distance herself from Biden, I think its also unfair to ask what did she do differently when she was the VP solely because she didn’t have the same power, responsibilities, or influence as a president. It is noted she was the most Active VP in the senate.

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Anonymous OP 3w

However this isn’t a pro or anti Kamala conversation. This is really how do we as a group of people on the left strategize better. I think progressive would have had much more luck holding Kamala to the fire as president to get her to make changes vs Trump. Kamala did have progressive-ish policies she was running on. And we knew she wasn’t going to guy education, healthcare, deploy ICE as the army, put national guard in cities, etc

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Anonymous OP 3w

I don’t think they were even asking for us to distance ourselves from an ally, they were just asking our government to hold israel to the same standards that they hold everyone else to. Do you think Ukraine would still be getting US weapons if they were blatantly committing war crimes with them?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

And personally I agree, I didn’t see much sense in not voting or voting for trump as a way to end the genocide. However many of those undecided voters out of Michigan have family in Gaza, people they knew getting murdered every day. I think it’s absolutely understandable that, out of extreme desperation, they found it unworkable to support the Biden/harris team and had to do literally anything else

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I agree that she didn’t have the chance to take any action like Biden did, absolutely. However she did have a platform and one thing politicians can do is promise things, and she couldn’t even do that. She essentially said and promised nothing towards ending any part of the genocide. I think that was a huge misstep. I’m not a campaign strategist so maybe the math still worked out in her favor, thays just my take

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

But overall yeah I agree that she would’ve been worlds better than trump in almost every way. A somewhat uninspiring moderate democrat is always better than what we have now.

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

My point is that to strategize better the democrats should actually commit to being a left party instead of a wishywashy leftish centerish party. The republicans are doing horrible things but they are unified and have a clear message that resonates with their base

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I think thats a two fold thing both on the politician and the voters on the left. At the end of the day we can’t strategize if we have no power. I don’t disagree with most of the criticisms of Kamala. Disagree with the thought process of not voting for her but also not having a legitimate plan. The smartest thing to do would have been to get her in office and raise hell every day to get her to move the needle. The entire side of the left just needs to get smarter at gameplans/strategy

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Anonymous OP 3w

I agree with almost all of that, just making the point that I understand why some voters couldn’t stomach a Kamala vote. Personally I’m with you, I voted Kamala and would do so again

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

It’s tough though bc idrk what the party can do at this moment. People like me want them to actually act like progressives (support subsidies for cheaper housing and medical care, attack mega corporations…etc) but that would lose them moderates. Same thing with things like trans healthcare issues that older moderates don’t really understand and think are radical. How can the party cater to moderate democrats and leftists at the same time?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

I guess maybe that’s your point tho? Elect a somewhat uninspiring moderate and hope we can convince her/them to actually act more progressive once in office?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 3w

well as a Republican myself I don’t stand with trump at all, and ik not all republicans agree w what he’s doing either so that’s why I think we need a reset

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Anonymous #1 2w

Did you vote for him this most recent time around?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2w

No

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Anonymous #1 2w

Who’d you vote for?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2w

neither I turned 18 after the cutoff

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Anonymous #1 2w

Ah ok, who would you have voted for if you could? Any why?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 2w

Honestly neither ngl, I’m glad u aged out bc I have no clue; I personally didn’t like either candidate so idk tbh

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Anonymous #1 2w

*i

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