Anonymous #2 7w

It’s actually to push you to engage with the fact that the Jewish people have a unique history and are historically uniquely vulnerable to genocide and many believe they require a state where they are an ethnic majority in order to be safe, which was the entire reason for Zionism becoming popular in the early 20th century in the first place. We can talk about how to fix Israel, but you will lose most Jews if your goal is destroying Israel as a political entity, and that goal is racist.

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Anonymous #3 7w

I mean I don’t think destroying Nazi Germany or Apartheid South Africa as a political entity makes you racist. Why is Israel different? Heck I have the same opinions on Saudi Arabia & the UAE that I do on Israel but no one will argue it makes me Islamophobic or anti Arab. Yet with Israel it’s somehow different. Idk seems like Zionist just like to use Judaism as a sword & shield when it comes to Israel. Despite Judaism ≠ Israel/Zionism

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Anonymous OP 7w

Also I’d argue while Jewish history is indeed full of many tough & hard times that doesn’t give anyone the right to colonialism, apartheid or genocide

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Anonymous OP 7w

What is inherently antisemitic/racist is denying the right of the Jewish people to self determination which requires a Jewish state. Palestinian liberation can either co-occur with a Jewish state or it can attempt to dominate it, but one of these paths is drenched in blood and the other is not.

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Anonymous OP 7w

You can’t colonize your own homeland that your people have maintained a permanent presence in.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Got it so you’re saying if I don’t support colonialism then I’m antisemitic & the ability to engage in colonialism is simply just a party of Jewish self determination

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Anonymous OP 7w

Also you’re saying the Palestinians need to accept being colonized or else they will be drenched in blood but if they accept it then they will allowed to live

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Anonymous #3 7w

I mean the right of return & building illegal settlements not stop sure does make what you’re saying sound not true. But according to you if I’m Jewish it’s my right to move & take some Palestinians home in the West Bank & if anyone disagrees they’re antisemitic

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Anonymous OP 7w

I don’t know, is that what I said? It seems like you’re just projecting the worst possible version of Zionism onto anyone who believes there needs to be a Jewish state because it’s easier than actually engaging with what people actually think, or history. Pretty typical pro-Pally YikYaker but disappointing nonetheless.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Right now what Palestinians need is an independent state with a government that has the desire and ability to actually negotiate on their behalf (and not just spend 20 years of aid money on digging tunnels and doing terrorism lol).

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Anonymous OP 7w

Again, you cannot colonize your own homeland.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Typical pro pally? Yikes. Whatever you have to tell yourself. You & I both know the vast majority of people hate Israel & want nothing to do with the country. It doesn’t help that Zionist tend to be some of the most entitled & annoying people. And agin the majority of Zionist in the U.S. aren’t even Jewish so miss me with this antisemitic bs

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Anonymous #3 7w

So if you can’t colonize your own home land why are the settlements illegal under international law? Why does someone who hasn’t been in the region for generations have the right to the home of someone who has?

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Anonymous OP 6w

The settlements are illegal because Israeli’s internationally recognized border is the 1949 Armistice Line (colloquially the Green Line) and the settlements are on the other side of it. I don’t think the second sentence is true. Settler violence is bad. Palestinians who were displaced from their homes in 1948 largely left voluntarily thinking the Arab armies would expel all the Jews and then they could come back, so I have limited sympathy for them.

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Anonymous #3 6w

Got it so you’re saying you don’t agree that the settlements should be illegal under international law?

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Anonymous OP 6w

I believe the territory past the Green Line should mostly be incorporated formally into a Palestinian state, and the settlements removed. Same thing that happened when Israel returned the Sinai to Egypt, the IDF forcibly removed Israeli settlers there.

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Anonymous #3 6w

Got it so you’re pro removing some of the settlements

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Anonymous OP 6w

Basically all of the deep settlements, 100%. The ones right by the Green Line shouldn’t be there either but even the Palestinians don’t really give a fuck about those, I think the best way to deal with those is a mixture of removal and land swaps with the Palestinian state on a case by case basis.

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