Anonymous #1 10w

How about 78 years?

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Anonymous #2 10w

I mean you aren’t wrong. I was just referring to the years Hamas governed Gaza

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Anonymous #1 10w

This is my problem with you people who immediately bring up Hamas. You people look at Gazan children who are murdered and deep down you don’t give a shit because you believe that while they may be kids at that moment they were just gonna grow up to join Hamas. That’s all they ever were to you. That’s all Palestinians ever are to you. Either they’re Hamas or future Hamas. Like I said people like you believe that certain groups of peoples lives have no value.

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Anonymous OP 10w

I find it very fascinating how people manage to doublethink that killing Gazan children is justified by the attack from Hamas but that simultaneously the attack from Hamas came out of nowhere and Israel did nothing.

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Anonymous #3 10w

Like the answer is that all massacres of civilians are bad but I find it particularly fascinating how individual Gazan kids are responsible for Hamas but individual Israelis aren’t responsible for the Israeli government. Justifying massacres is an awful idea but it’s not even applied evenly.

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Anonymous #3 10w

Hamas has a history of using child suicide bombers so yea Israeli troops are going to be willing to shoot them if they approach to quickly then Hamas will use its social media proxies to claim they massacring children. Hamas is excellent at playing the victim.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Israel helped Hamas get to where it is. And how many of those children weren’t running up to Israeli soldiers? How many of them did nothing wrong but found themselves wrong place wrong time? How many of them were in what they thought were safe places when Israel took action without care for citizen cost? Once again you have shown that to you Palestinians are either apart of Hamas or they’re future members of Hamas and so to you it’s acceptable. Fucking sociopath.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Ah, really refusing to address any of the points at hand, huh. Not gonna address why Hamas exists in the first place? Yeah that’s not too surprising. It reminds me a lot of Armenian genocide apologism, where the Armenians were all called terrorists. Or the defense of the genocide of the Herero and Nama or native Americans.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Also like if we go into your whole shitty justification, Israel drafts both men and women into the IDF. Under your logic couldn’t a Hamas supporter use that to justify atrocities against Israeli civilians? Hamas doesn’t consider any Israelis to be civilians. Maybe massacres are bad instead. Maybe we just have no apologist for atrocities.

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Anonymous #1 10w

HAMAS WAS LITERALLY FUNDED BY ISRAEL THIS IS IN WRITING HOLY SHIT

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Anonymous #5 10w

Hold on so you’re saying that genocide and ethnic cleansing can’t be happening because you saw some graduation ceremonies? That’s your rebuttal?

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Anonymous OP 10w

I’m saying y’all have overused and burned out the word genocide. Ethnic cleansing? Come on now lol.

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Anonymous #5 10w

The Israeli government is committing textbook ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. Intentionally displacing members of one ethnicity to free up land for resettlement by another ethnicity.

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Anonymous #5 10w

Just because you want to downplay what’s happening in Palestine and pretend that crimes against humanity aren’t being carried out to make your worldview look more rosey doesn’t mean the rest of us have to follow you into this state of cognitive dissonance.

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Anonymous OP 10w

If you think I don’t give a shit you are wrong. Gaza is the way it is today because of Hamas who has governed it for seventeen years. The Palestinians chose Hamas to govern Gaza. Instead of Governing they embezzled money, repeatedly launched rockets into Israel for years then killed hundreds of Israelis on October 7th. But yes let’s blame Israel. It won’t matter. Even without America’s help they will make sure no threat to Israel ever emerges from Gaza again

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Anonymous #1 10w

Hamas was elected because Israel’s continued colonization of the West Bank eroded confidence in the PLO. Israel then propped up Hamas intentionally to keep them in power to weaken the PLO. Hamas only exists because of Israel.

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Anonymous #3 10w

Israel does not want a moderate peaceful Palestine. A moderate peaceful Palestinian state would prevent it from colonial expansion. They need radicals to justify continued expansionist warfare. Israel is why the PLO, Hezbollah, Hamas, all of those militant groups exist.

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Anonymous #3 10w

And of course we also must note that when Gazans peacefully protested in 2018, the IDF gunned them down, killing over 200 and injuring thousands. You always need to act like attacks against Israel came out of nowhere, that nothing proceeded or incited them.

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Anonymous #3 10w

I’ve heard this said a hundred times and none of that makes sense

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Anonymous #1 10w

What that Israel propped up Hamas? It’s not a secret lol

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Anonymous #1 10w

“They will make sure no threat to Israel ever emerges from Gaza again.” Yeah like I said you’re a fucking psychopath. You don’t give a shit about the Nakba, you don’t give a shit about the far right in Israel propping up Hamas, you don’t give a shit about Israelis gunning down innocent Palestinians who peacefully march. Why don’t you give a shit? Because “they will make sure no threat to Israel ever emerges from Gaza again” like I said you people believe their lives are worthless.

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Anonymous OP 10w

You are talking in circles. You say the far right has been propping up Hamas yet the far right is in power in Israel and has been for years. Also that’s what Israel will do. The US took similar steps after 9/11 only we killed a LOT more people. You probably weren’t born yet when 9/11 but I was.

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Anonymous #1 10w

…yes? The far right is in power in Israel and used its control of the Israeli government to prop up Hamas. They oppose the peace process, that’s why they got Yitzhak Rabin killed. What aren’t you getting.

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Anonymous #1 10w

You can’t say everyone else is talking in circles when your only response is “nuh uh, Israel victim only.”

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Anonymous #3 10w

The Israeli government has been at war with Hamas for 3 fucking years. They are not propping them up. Even if they had propped them up before that , the most likely reason would have been to keep a stable government in Gaza so they don’t have to deal with a refugee crisis. They pulled out of Gaza in 07 because they didn’t want to govern it.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Nope. They were propping up Hamas to weaken the PLO because a unified Palestine under a moderate peaceful government would prevent expansionism. You can read the times of Israel article I posted.

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Anonymous OP 10w

Hamas attacked Israel. As a result Gaza which was governed by Hamas paid the price. You think the Japanese people didn’t pay a heavy price for the Japanese government’s attack on Pearl Harbor and their subsequent refusal to surrender? Hundreds of thousands of them were killed.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Turkey has a monument to all the Turks killed by Armenians to justify the Armenian genocide

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Anonymous #1 10w

The Israeli government propped up an entity they knew would be a problem not because they intended to suffer, but because they intended to profit. And considering how far the far right has had a stranglehold on Israeli politics it’s worked pretty fucking well. Why? Because fear sells. They knew Hamas would be a threat they didn’t care because they knew it gave them an avenue to retain power. You haven’t done any research you just have blind hatred for Palestinians and want them to be wiped out.

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Anonymous #3 10w

The Herero and Nama Genocide committed by Germany, considered by many scholars (including experts in Israel) to be a precursor to the methods used in the Holocaust, was committed after the Herero and Nama revolted and killed German colonists in Namibia. Australian Aboriginals were genocided after killing British settlers. Same goes for a number of genocides of native Americans.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Genuine question why do you believe that Israel is immune from the consequences of their actions of but the citizens and children’s of Palestine aren’t?

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Anonymous #3 10w

Btw here’s a quote about a 2007 diplomatic leak from IDF Military Intelligence Directorate Head Amos Yadlin (look it up if you don’t believe me) “Yadlin said Israel would be "happy" if Hamas took over Gaza because the IDF could then deal with Gaza as a hostile state. “

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Anonymous OP 10w

For one because they are our allies and two they aren’t wiping out the Palestinians. If they wanted to do so they would have been gone a long time ago. All they would have to do is round them up and build gas chambers and use them. Yet for some reason they haven’t done that.

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Anonymous OP 10w

Yeah like this person thinks every Palestinian baby is personally responsible for Hamas but that logic doesn’t apply whatsoever to Israelis?

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Anonymous #3 10w

I’m just confused why you have such selective outrage when it comes to Israel? They are far from the only nation doing that kind of thing.

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Anonymous #1 10w

You mean like the multiple massacres of Palestinian villages that occurred in 1948? Israel needs to make genocide look like it’s just a military operation so chuds like you can justify it and they can maintain US support. If they were too explicit about it then they would lose their international backing (which frankly is happening now, guess they’re crossing that line). Thats fucking obvious if you think about it for 2 seconds.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Why would we want to be allies with country’s that committed god awful crimes against humanity? If the US had been allied with the Nazis would the Holocaust have been justified to you? Seriously really proving that you don’t view Palestinians as people. Also You do realize before the gas chambers the Nazis were still committing genocide against the Jews right? You do realize that in most every genocide the use of gas chambers has never been a requirement right?

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Anonymous #1 10w

Maybe because they’re the country doing it with our tax dollars and they are ultimately the aggressor who has the ability to end all this bloodshed by allowing Palestinians to have rights? I’m against other genocides too but this is the one we are talking about now because you’re defending it. Call me when some fuckwad starts defending the massacres in Myanmar and I’ll show up there too.

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Anonymous #3 10w

“You guys can’t call out this genocide because other genocides exist” GTFO bruh

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Anonymous #3 10w

Ain’t a genocide

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Anonymous #1 10w

Tell that to the UN.

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Anonymous #1 10w

I think the international genocide experts would know that more than ethnic cleansing supporter chud #27 on yikyak.

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Anonymous OP 10w

The UN is a joke. Has been for ages.

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Anonymous #3 10w

If Israel is doing ethnic cleansing then they suck at it lmao.

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Anonymous #1 10w

“No guys the international genocide experts are lying!!! Clearly the country accused of doing the genocide is the honest one with absolutely no bias in saying they aren’t going a genocide!” Turkey says the Armenian genocide is an international anti-Turkish conspiracy too man.

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Anonymous #1 10w

The West Bank settlements are textbook ethnic cleansing. The Koenig Memorandum was an internal Israeli government memo detailing a deliberate policy of reducing Arab birth rates in the Galilee and confiscating their land to replace them with Jewish settlements. Nearly every non-Druze inhabitant was ethnically cleansed from the Golan heights.

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Anonymous #3 10w

I wonder where I’ve seen something like this before hmmmm

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Anonymous #1 10w

Serious question other than the fact the US has an alliance with Israel for whatever godly reason, why are you so hellbent on defending them from any criticism of their actions that you will go so far as to discredit ngo’s, international bodies, history, and Israel’s own reports when it’s clear that you are not educated on the history of the Israeli’s and Palestinians? Why do you believe that Palestinian lives have no value?

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Anonymous OP 10w

We have an Alliance with them because they have always been a staunch US ally in the Middle East and have close economic and military ties as well as a large population of Americans who are dual citizens.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Ah that staunch allyship. You mean like operation Susannah when they bombed the U.S. information offices in Cairo and Alexandria? And then gave the people who did it medals in 2005? I don’t even need to bring up the Liberty or the assassination attempt on John Gunther Dean because the Israeli government openly admitted it did those Egyptian bombings.

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Anonymous #1 10w

“They have always been a staunch ally” they literally bombed the US military at one point and several times they have dragged the US into military situations that they had to coordinate with other countries with because it was during the Cold War and there were fears about escalation. But you failed to actually answer my question. I do not give a shit about alliances that means nothing. Tell me why they deserves such ardent support from you that doesn’t revolve around this? Can you even do that?

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Anonymous #3 10w

Don’t care about those dual citizens much when it’s Israel doing the killing

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Anonymous OP 10w

Yeah like I don’t give a fuck about whether a country is a U.S. ally when it’s doing genocide. Our government turned a blind eye to Pakistan’s genocide in Bangladesh, or the genocide in Guatemala, or in East Timor. Genocides are bad I don’t care who tf is doing them.

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Anonymous #3 10w

They also are not our concern

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Anonymous #1 10w

“Yeah I just don’t care about people being genocided” okay so that kind of just like tells everything about you but I guess it’s good you admit it

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Anonymous #3 10w

Bro would genuinely be simping for the Nazis if they were allies I guess

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Anonymous #3 10w

Genocide is bad but it’s not our job to go around the world trying to stop it.

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Anonymous #1 10w

“Genocide is bad, but not so bad that we have to do anything about it.”

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Anonymous OP 10w

If we did we would have to go to war with hack the world. Including china.

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Anonymous #1 10w

I’m still waiting for you to tell me why you’re so hellbent on defending whatever Israel does against Palestine without falling back on arbitrary alliances that don’t determine whether or not if something is a crime against humanity or not? Also would love for you to actually address how Israel is different from all the other examples posted above and aren’t committing ethnic cleansing in the West Bank.

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Anonymous #1 10w

Step one would be to stop shipping arms to facilitate the genocide and to stop shielding the genocidairs from international prosecution. That doesn’t even require any action. That would be actually just doing nothing.

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