Anonymous #1 1d

Abolish the death penalty

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Anonymous OP 1d

No

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Anonymous #1 1d

We’re not a 3rd world country. First world countries don’t execute people

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Anonymous OP 1d

I don’t care.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Move to a 3rd world country then if you like living in the 1800s

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Anonymous OP 1d

No. The present date or civilizations progress does not absolve people of the guilt that warrants death. There’s no point in having a civilization if people aren’t civilized and if they can’t prevent themselves from murdering/raping people, they get the death penalty so they don’t multiply.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Bro has never heard of prison and it shows. Insane

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Anonymous OP 1d

I am not a bro.

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Anonymous #1 1d

So?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

ok too far

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Still need prison chief

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Anonymous justinian 1d

what exactly does prison do? it doesn’t prevent crime, just provides legal reason to extract labor. y’all will say too far… they also thought abolition was too far 150 years ago. are y’all abolitionists or not?

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Anonymous OP 1d

to extract labor or prevent crime?

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Anonymous justinian 1d

yet we cling onto other colonial constructs?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

You want someone who committed murder living next door to you?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

they outlawed chattel slavery and supplemented it with carceral slavery and cheap wages in the south. this is where i remind everyone, there are more Black people in Amerikan prisons today than were ever bound in chattel slavery. to defend the prison industrial complex is to defend slavery

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Anonymous OP 1d

my neighbor is a veteran (retired legal murderer), and so long as they aren’t still murdering, what’s the issue? violent crimes also demonstrate the lowest rates of recidivism, indicating that typically people are remorseful and do not always wish to commit the act

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Anonymous OP 1d

and again, how does prison actually prevent the murder?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

Have you ever heard of reform or is your inclination always to go to the extreme and abolish

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Anonymous OP 1d

because systems rooted in supremacy and exploitation cannot be reformed. why wasn’t feudalism just reformed?

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

You’re brutally confusing rehabilitation with incapacitation. A murderer in prison cannot murder someone in the community. And low violent-crime recidivism doesn’t prove prison causes remorse — it only tells you what happens after release. You can argue prison is bad rehabilitation without pretending incapacitation isn’t a form of crime prevention.

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

This argument is so bad😭😭

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

where should we put the rapists and ICE thugs?

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Anonymous OP 1d

defending our punitive prison system is quite a choice. our prisons are intentionally designed not to rehabilitate, but to encourage recidivism. there is a fundamental reason why we rely on punitive prisons instead of rehabilitative, and that is the 13th amendment allowing for slavery as a punishment of a crime; which is exactly what the private prison complex does to our prisoners: enslaves them for cheap slave labor, cents per hour.

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Anonymous #7 1d

orangutan is right, and a rehabilitative prison system does not mean that violent offenders are not able to be imprisoned or held if they’re incapable of being rehabilitated. plenty of countries already use a rehabilitative prison system as well.

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Anonymous justinian 1d

not only do a vast majority of survivors choose not to utilize the criminal justice system (for numerous reasons, a primary one being that it doesn’t work and survivors are often dismissed), but our prisons do not have the capacity to hold the absurd number of abusers. so, again, is the goal to correct behavior and protect people from harm, or is it to punish and extract labor? y’all are approaching prison from an ideal lens, ignoring the material realities of the prison industrial complex

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Anonymous _orangutan 1d

of the around 30% of survivors that actually report instances of sexual violence to the police, only around 5% of abusers are actually prosecuted. can someone in the pro-prison camp please explain how the prison-slavery complex prevents violent crime? prison does about as much to prevent crime as the death penalty does… it doesn’t

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Anonymous #7 21h

I’m against abolishing prisons. I’m well aware our prison system in the US is deeply flawed.

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Anonymous OP 16h

and yet whenever the topic of abolishing prisons come up, there is always a common theme of *replacing the current exploitative prison structure with one intended to rehabilitate individuals capable of rehabilitation* do you think the conversation ends after the word “abolish”? that there is no additional context behind the statement, despite the plethora of comments providing…. well, additional context?

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Anonymous #7 16h

this just seems like one of those semantic arguments, similar to what was weaponized against “defund the police”. people just hear a statement and accept their immediate assumptions based on that statement, even if they learned the context behind said statement and otherwise agree with it, they still hold opposing beliefs purely out of a semantic disagreement. I’m sorry, and no offense, but this seems stupid asf. no one is saying to entirely abolish prisons with no form of replacement.

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Anonymous #7 16h

like you’re acting as if me or orangutan advocated to just release all prisoners and never convict anyone for their crimes, it’s just silly asf lol

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Anonymous #7 16h

9/10 people what read what orangutan said and think he was advocating releasing all prisoners and never convicting people

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Anonymous OP 16h

Would read*

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Anonymous #7 16h

Since you brought it up too, a good chunk of the defund the police crowd actually wanted to completely defund police forces entirely. Polls show that. Eventually the responsibility has to fall on the people marketing the message and not on the people tasked with trying to interpret it.

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Anonymous OP 15h

oh my god, did he or I advocate to release all prisoners, whatsoever? you are intentionally disregarding the actual content of our beliefs because you’d rather maintain your preconceived biases instead of consider an alternative view, despite you already acknowledging the inherent flaws within the US “justice” system.

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Anonymous #7 15h

solely because a majority (as you claim) would immediately misinterpret a statement, does not mean their misinterpretation is representative of what that statement is saying. that is representative of a misinterpretation (on your part), which we have already established, and you seemingly would prefer to maintain that misinterpretation?

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Anonymous OP 15h

I’d love to see your source then, since you claim what you stated is supported by polls.

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Anonymous #7 15h

As the local representative from the North Pole, I will take this opportunity to state we are not in support of overpopulating prisons. If something is bad enough we normally just feed the offender to the polar bears. It’s a very green solution and please note they are no longer on the endangered species list… You’re welcome planet earth.

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Anonymous #7 15h

Gallup. This is compared to their findings that roughly 34% of Americans supported “reform based” defund the police measures. That’s a statistically significant figure

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Anonymous OP 15h

The Gallup people’s pole has no magnetic influence. Bunch of frauds.

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Anonymous #7 15h

I’m not purposely misinterpreting anything. Calm down. I’m shooting straight with you here. Both you and orangutan didn’t do a great job of explaining what camp you’re in.

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