Anonymous #1 3w

What’s that scale and what changed where we needed a significant increase to do this?

6

Anonymous #1 3w

Controlled felling operations like the ones I’ve seen conducted in the Redwood National Forest are NOT commercial logging. Commercial logging is not undertaken for the purposes of forest maintenance or wildfire protection, that’s what the Forestry Service already exists for.

5

Anonymous #2 3w

Depends on the type of forest, type of trees present, disease prevalence, tree crowding factors, tree age, east/west coast for the states (thats a much more complicated topic that I'm not going to go into completely). All can benefit but the level necessitated can vary wildly. Wildfire risk is a big issue right now, and the west coast is pretty dry, so I wouldn't discount the possibility that fire management is playing a part.

0

Anonymous #1 3w

Dude be for real this admin doesn’t know jack shit about forestry management. They just shut down a bunch of experimental forest service sites. They’re logging everything for short corporate profit, the forest service was already doing the responsible management before it got gutted.

10

Anonymous #3 3w

It’s just the classic right-wingism of: Defund an arm of the state, allow that arm to fall into disrepair, point to it and go “see, government is inherently ineffective” and then sell off that public good to a corporation who’s gonna juice it for private profits, and has no reason to actually give a shit about the public good.

4

Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

Like how Ronald Reagan gutted public education, and ever since Reagan, the Republican Party has been all in on “school choice” and private schooling. And their argument is that the public schools aren’t working. Which is to say, it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Destroy the public good, claim that’s a failure of government intervention, privatize it so only the richest benefit. And since they do it over years, or even decades, most folks don’t notice what they’re doing.

3

Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

Forestry service wasn't doing controlled burns or any major logging operations, not entirely sure I see what you're getting at.

-1

Anonymous #1 3w

Straight up falsehood, the Forestry Service conducts THOUSANDS of prescribed fires/controlled burns every year, and has multiple procedures for thinning the forest for its overall health. Now I know you’re just pulling points directly out of your ass.

5

Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

Yeah you're right I should have specified. They did not do controlled burns to the degree necessitated in the Western US, some did occur there, although the vast majority were in the Eastern US

1

Anonymous #1 3w

Dude I live in Oregon. They’ve been doing controlled burns. This is complete horseshit. They were even doing burns during the government shutdowns.

3

Anonymous #1 3w

Weird how the Trump admin is promoting clear cut logging instead of controlled burns then huh? They don’t know shit about fire ecology they were blaming the california wildfires on the forests not being “raked enough”

3

Anonymous #3 3w

Ultimately they are both just methods of thinning the forest in the context of forest management

1

Anonymous #1 3w

So your argument is “The National Forestry Service could stand to do a better job” and that’s valid, but I don’t see how that justifies opening these places up to commercial logging and clear-cutting.

1

Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 3w

I'm not against the money going to forest service, but I'd rather someone manage the forest somehow and maybe have external factors influencing them than someone have the forest management as their main concern, and not manage it.

1

Anonymous #1 3w

I do not have any faith in this administration taking efforts to ensure logging is done responsibly. Their goal is to sell off federal land and gut environmental protections. Under any other admin I would not be so pessimistic about this.

5

Anonymous #3 3w

I remember the Croatan National Forest Wildfire of 2023 that shit was insane, the sky was orange, everything smelled like wood-smoke, ash raining from the sky, and this is the humid ass Southeast, where that doesn’t happen often. I left my class that day thinking the world was ending.

1

Anonymous #3 3w

Well that should be your front and center issue, not the logging itself.

1

Anonymous #3 3w

I hope I’m wrong and the experts working in the forest service (however many are left) can get this to be done responsibly. But I’m not holding my breath.

1