
It’s a bit stupid of OP to categorize every person with conservative views as a sexual deviant and criminal. Basically, it’s the same as if I were to wrongly claim that all left wingers are transgender child groomers. Sure, some people might be like that, but we shouldn’t assume everyone is.
Yall are the ones that believe in child genitalia mutilation when they’re under 18. I don’t know who you’re talking about, but that guy should get shot. My problem is you saying that all people on the right are sexual deviants, when that’s obviously not true. Saying all people on the left are exempt from everything like people on the left don’t commit any crimes
You’re dumb. I can’t believe you can vote. I’m not saying people on the right don’t commit crimes. They obviously do. My problem is you parading it everywhere like all people on the right are criminals when that’s not the case. All people who commit crimes should be punished.
You just tried to pass off gender affirming care as “child mutilation”, you fucking halfwit. You can’t be half-in-half-out when it comes to wanting a legitimate argument when you do the exact fucking thing you’re bitching at people about. Jesus fuck, is your helmet too tight? Does mommy need to loosen the chinstrap for you?
Except one has seen real legislative harm done to it while the other has seen nothing come of it, because you know….its not like conservatives didn’t push Epstein to win an election and then get called out for it and now don’t want anything to come of it….but it’s just a “both sides” thing, right? Weird how you can’t see the context but everyone else can.
The point is still going over your head, just bc I’m on the right doesn’t mean I agree with everything that’s happening, fuckin idiot. I obviously want everybody that’s in the files to be prosecuted, I want everybody that’s raped and does crimes to be arrested, that includes everybody on the right and everybody on the left. I’m not excusing people on the right just bc they’re on “my side.”
They don’t even do that correctly though. 😭 At least Fuentes types will just outright say they think other races are inferior. Republicans do that cuck shit where they’re “just asking questions”. Like oh, you say the black crime rate is high? Tell me why that is, what is your hypothesis? And they don’t ever say shit 😭
If we’re speaking on the subject of transsexuality in minors there is not nearly enough information or long term studies out there to entertain the notion that children are able to determine if they’re trans. Many times it’s zealot parents that take the slightest indication of being trans and run with it, essentially goading their children into it, and as children they don’t know any better, if mommy or daddy says it then it must be true in their mind.
It doesn’t matter “what happens before surgery” the idea shouldn’t even be entertained before they’re adults with a fully formed brain. Just leave the children alone at the end of the day, there’s no need to prod them into one corner or the other, just let them be kids and grow and learn about who they are without outside forces. Sometimes I would wear my mom’s high heels as a kid cause I thought it was fun, today that would be taken as a sign I’m trans, it’s just letting kids be kids
This is what they do. If anyone wants to take anything away from this conversation, it’s this. Conservatives try to pass off unfalsifiable claims as justifications. There probably is one badly written research paper out there. There probably is an over zealot parent out there….That 1 to them in a sea of a million normal functioning parents is enough to justify their ideology. It’s worthy of calling out every time. NEVER give these fuckers ground because they won’t EVER grant you any.
My cousin is trans, you calling me transphobic because I don’t think minors are capable of making such a big decision is actually crazy. Keep in mind you’re the one who believes all republicans are pedos but you just can’t leave the kids out of this. You’re quite literally telling on yourself here
if you gave a fuck, you’d recognize the beneficial impacts of gender affirming care, and wouldn’t be propagandizing us and spreading false narratives as if children commonly surgical transition (which they do not, only in the rarest of situations). you have no idea what you’re discussing, you’re just willfully being a transphobe and indirectly causing your cousin harm in the long run. remember that.
All im advocating for is that they need to wait, if you wanna make that decision as an adult go for it but children are not capable of doing that. You’re shoving words in my mouth that have never been said. What do you say to the other trans people in the community that also agree children need be left out of it?
and they fucking do you stupid fuck, that’s my entire point. You seemingly don’t give a fuck though, and would rather vilify us and propagandize. Surgical transitions for a minor only happens after comprehensive psychological evaluations long-term social transitioning. It only happens when a doctor determines that their life is at risk without proceeding with the transition.
the most common form of transitioning for children is social transitions, meaning changing how they dress, choosing a name, picking new pronouns, etc. you’re ignoring that though, and hyper fixating on a small subset of the few who do receive surgical transitions to save their lives.
You just denied academic research and then gave your own stupid as fuck opinion that because you apparently were into light crossdressing as a kid, that somehow means that was a “sign of being trans”. You can’t even parse English. A SIGN! Do you know what a “sign” is? Even if we granted you that claim, a sign is not DEFINITIVE. There is more to being trans than just liking high heels. And yeah, fuckhead…it is war when literal kids are fucking killing themselves over this shit
These aren’t hard facts though, their opinions being given by scientists that were funded to study it. And guess what? If you consistently put out findings that go against a mainstream narrative you lose funding. They have every incentive to skew data in a way that gives them gratification and funding. Hard truths aren’t popular and don’t secure funding.
I legit clocked you like the clown you are. Again, you tried to deny research was legitimate because of some other random as fuck failures, then gave your own stupid as fucking opinion with ZERO RESEARCH BTW as fact. Like what? I’m supposed to debate against your feelings?!? Lol get bent pedophile.
that’s why you couldn’t address jack shit, you don’t give a fuck about children, you don’t give a fuck about their safety, you care about vilifying the trans community. and it goes to serve how fucked up and selfserving you are. You’re getting called a pedophile for still replying the party that supports said pedophiles, while also engaging in this propaganda bullshit.
*cough cough* One example of many. Check any recent year. Any single one on record. Even 2020. In fact, despite the “horrors” of BLM, conservatives I believe were either over 90 percent of politically motivated deadly terrorism that year. Possibly 100 percent. Many years the left commits none at all.
oh my god I’m not on hormones you stupid hateful fuck. there are different types of trans people, you genuine imbecile. did you forget how you have been directly and indirectly transphobes towards me and others? you can’t complain about others being violent in retaliation towards you, after being violent towards us. you reap what you sow, you utter dumbfuck.
I’m going to hold your hand while I say this: being transphobic is inherently violent. being racist, is inherently violent. Being homophobic is inherently violent. prejudice in any form is inherently violent, but perpetuating specifically those with systemic foundations? inherently perpetuating violence. you have been violent this entire conversation.
words can be inherently violent, yes. you must not know about the differing forms of violence, and how physical violence is only one of many types of violence. additionally, we’re not talking about merely “words”, we’re talking about hate speech with an origin in systemic oppression.
SORRY I REALIZE I DIDNT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES I THINK ALL CHILDREN ARE TRANS UNTIL THE AGE OF 18. IT IS WHY I THINK IT IS UNFAIR TO LET ANYONE DRESS THEIR CHILDREN IN GENDER CONFORMING COLORS LIKE BLUE OR PINK UNDER THE AGE OF 18 BECAUSE IT IMPLICITLY PUSHES THEM INTO A GENDER THEY DIDN’T CHOOSE THEMSELVES AND ARE THEREFORE INFLUENCED BY THEIR PARENTS OR NON-BIRTHING GUARDIANS
just because you cannot comprehend what the scientific medical research over the past few decades with gender-affirming care for trans youth (since the 90s), doesn’t mean that it’s wrong and immoral and endangers those youth… you’re just projecting your fears onto them. I suggest you call into Jovan Bradley some time and get education in the subject via actual productive verbal discussion.
I’m so curious, did you vote for Donald Trump? Because if you did, you should shut the fuck up forever about protecting children because he was convicted of child rape before he even ran for his second presidency. Anyone who voted for him after that is not only a danger to democracy but a danger to children.
It has nothing to do with “the internet” and has everything to do with logic. Republicans and conservative minded people call trans people groomers and all sorts of disgusting shit and you know what they’ve done about it? They’ve litigated and legislated AGAINST trans people and taken away their rights. They’ve done more to stop fucking trans people from existing than they have with the Epstein shit. Don’t tell me it’s the “same thing” because it doesn’t play out in reality.
That doesn’t make every single person who is a registered republican a pedophile, nor does it mean that every single registered republican worships politicians under such accusations. To be a pedophile, you have to meet the legal definition, which voting for trump is not a part of. Of course you can criticize their choice more power to you. But to make such a broad generalization is simply incorrect
while I understand where you’re coming from, based on the concept of generalizations, I believe it’s more so regarding the willful support that all current republicans are giving to those who are actively defending pedophiles. if one is still supporting the Republican Party after this “mask off” moment of theirs, then they’re also supporting their defense of pedophilia by extension; one cannot disconnect the two.
I haven’t once seen you discuss the Clinton’s involvement or numerous democrat donors involvement. You can’t be selectively outraged at this😂. Most republicans are not happy w trump and are completely done w him. It’s literally just boomers who are half brain dead that still like him. I can name you a million things I don’t like about the RNC but I’m sure you’d refuse to name even one about the dnc
Also that sounds like a “you” problem when it comes to naming why the RNC sucks vs me having to name shit about the DNC. I don’t even really take critiques from lefties and I DEFINITELY don’t need to list any to you lol. You think this is about fairness or “having a conversation”? Nah. You fuckwits voted him in, you don’t get to backdown halfway in 🤣 You own the fuck up you made.
you’re out here perpetuating transphobia as we’re being systemically targeted and having rights revoked. You’re not slick. Before you even try the bullshit, our licenses are being revoked in certain states, and passports are being revoked nation-wide. Some states have bounty-programs for trans people using the bathroom of their identity (where citizens can report the individual and receive a reward)
“killing someone” you’re such a victim you poor baby, who advocated for you to die? I said I hoped you were hit with a wooden bat like you deserved, not killed. don’t project your own guilt onto me. and no, I said it because you’re a fascist, not for solely your prejudiced transphobia. don’t pretend like you’d ever take what I said into consideration anyway, I know what you think of me based off merely being trans. like I said before, you are not slick. you will get what you deserve.
I genuinely have no problem with trans people but I do have a problem when they suddenly want to get kids involved. I don’t agree with the revocation of passports or licenses however it’s fucking Kansas of all places, nobody lives there and they’re the only state to be trying something like that, which will most likely be struck down in court anyhow.
passport revocations are nationwide. even Caitlyn Jenner had her’s revoked and reissued under the wrong marker, preventing her from using it. mate, as you’ve continuously ignored, the only times a child undergoes surgical transitioning is when their life is at risk otherwise. Situations like suicidal gender dysphoria. the vast majority of children undergoes social transitioning, merely changing their name, the way they dress, how they’re referred, etc.
Like again, this isn’t a conversation. We’re not buddies, we’re not trying to have some brainlet Joe Rogan jerkoff fest here. We’re not doing this “Well I have my opinion and you have your opinion and at the end we’re still going to be friends” like no bro lol Fuck you. We’ve teenagers killing themselves because morons like you have “moral” disagreement with it despite knowing fuck-all about the issue. You don’t read shit, you don’t research shit. You get your dogshit talking points from the pod
I don’t think you understand my position. If a kid wants to say they are trans, dress different or change their pronouns that’s fine. I don’t agree with it but that’s their life. I don’t believe any minor should have access to these treatments until they’re 18 however because it is a very big decision with major implications.
i do understand what you mean, but I don’t agree. The only reason why it’s permitted in the first place is it was medically studied and displayed to reduce harm far more often than pushing off any forms of gender affirming care. while social transitioning can go a long way, it does not fully resolve gender dysphoria for many trans people; but that’s why it’s reviewed on a case by case basis by licensed professionals who determine whether each individual requires further care than
social transitioning. for example: most cases of medical transitioning pre-18 are limited to the form of hormone blockers, which has been shown to be mostly reversible. the impacts of the non-reversible part of hormone blockers have been shown to be less of an impact than leaving a trans child with no access to gender affirming care in the instance of them needing it.
Like they have to start with social transition, which means their ass has to go from looking one way to slowly looking another. They have to endure fucking humiliation simply because they want to be themselves….and that’s the easiest part in all of it. After that, they actually have do therapy and counseling until they usually can get documentation that they indeed have PERSISTENT gender dysphoria. BIG WORD THERE! I KNOW!
I appreciate you acknowledging how it’s not your decision to make ultimately, but you gotta recognize that the only reason forms of medical transitioning has been made available to teens, and rarely children, is because there is a high prevalence of suicide amongst trans teens otherwise. while transitioning does not eliminate the chance of suicide, it highly reduces it.
After that, then they have to actually go through the medical side, which is hardcore gatekept by that diagnosis of dysphoria that CAN’T be explained by something else. They actually require parental consent, which believe it or not, most parents DON’T accept their trans children…which not like that has an affect on their mental psyche! Definitely doesn’t lead to increased suicidal thoughts! I honestly don’t even know why I’m explaining this. It’s not like you give a fuck lol
the ultimate point is gender affirming care is about saving lives, even if you may not understand or agree with how we live our lives, yk? the world is really complex and we’re all still learning as we go, I think it’s better to always fallback to curiosity rather than exclusion if that makes sense?
If they know they will have access to these services the second they’re an adult it shouldn’t be a problem. What needs to be addressed BEFORE they start the actual process outside of emotional therapy is the suicidal tendencies. Getting this gender affirming care won’t make it magically go away, the thoughts will still be there and putting them on mind altering drugs is just likely to make it worse. they need to get their brain/thoughts figured out before moving on to the hardest part
you gotta realize you’re talking about kids, our young ones who are still growing in an ever-increasingly aggressive world. it’s so confusing to grow up in this world in the first place, and it’s so much harder for trans kids especially in places where there is no understanding of what it is to be trans. you don’t understand that the suicidal tendencies are a direct result of a combination of gender dysphoria and societal stigma.
with all due respect, your perspective is not more valuable or important than the biologists and medical professionals who dedicate their lives to studying and understanding these topics. I understand that you may not fully accept or understand our identities, and that’s okay, but we should not be forcing children to live through the same oppression that we had to. we know better, and we should be striving for more inclusivity, rather than devolving further into exclusionary hate.
I get your point. However, OP does not allow for any differences between registered republicans and those actively defending pedophiles, which is what I draw issue with. They equate the two without considering a myriad of individual level factors that determine who a voter is, why they made their choice, and their opinion on their choice now. I believe their behavior illustrates the dangerous trend of wholesale dismissal of groups that prevents proactive political discussion.
there’s a fundamental difference between chosen political ideology, and one’s immutable identity. don’t get me wrong, I can absolutely understand where you’re coming from; it’s just very ironic given the overall discussion that ensued yk? there’s a vital conversation to be had about the manipulation that the average Republican is inundated with, and how the factor of fear plays a large role in both building and maintaining loyalty within the base.
The point I was making in the message you’re referencing is that it is wrong for me to make a generalization about all transgender people just as it would be wrong for me to make a generalization about all republicans, democracy’s, or any group. In no way was I demeaning them or anyone for the sake of argument. I explicitly state it would be wrong of me to do so.
why are you saying this like generalizations aren’t still considered factual… it’s a generalization to say that all adults self-identify as men or women. it’s a generalization to say all wetlands are wet. republicans nominated and voted for someone with a history of predatory comments, actions, and behavior toward minors… that is a fair generalization based in facts. is there nuance to all the statements? yes, and we can expand on those generalizations once we’re smarter and can handle that info