Anonymous #3 4w

Warmongering, job losing, economy killing loser. I will be happy when he’s gone

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Anonymous #3 4w

really responded to yourself

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Anonymous #1 4w

To add on to what I was thinking yea

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Anonymous #1 4w

Bro has never heard of elaborating

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Anonymous #5 4w

They’re on crack bro

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Anonymous #6 4w

source: source

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Anonymous #1 4w

The yearly presidential ranking done by historians. https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th

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Anonymous #1 4w

Here’s a newer one. https://www.nwprogressive.org/weblog/2026/02/npis-founder-ranks-the-presidents-2026-edition.html

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Anonymous #6 4w

The second one is a terrible ranking, and to try to play both of those off as unbiased is disingenuous

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Anonymous #2 4w

They are unbiased. Trump has not moved from the bottom of any ranking in years.

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Anonymous #6 4w

I'm not talking about Trump being at the bottom, I'm talking about how the ranking is done by the founder of the "Northwest Progressive institute", a left wing think tank org. Also FDR above JFK is ridiculous, when did JFK put Japanese Americans in internment camps?

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Anonymous #6 4w

They are clearly biased towards FDR because the New Deal was aligned with their socialist ideology

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Anonymous #2 4w

He got us out of the worst economic disaster in US history, helped end the worst war in history, created millions of jobs, created tons of social programs and safety nets, beautified America by building tons of national parks and public infrastructure, established social security, etc. Not to mention he’s literally the longest serving president in US history. JFK certainly has a presidential legacy as well, but he doesn’t hold a candle to FDR.

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Anonymous #2 4w

FDR in top 3 is not a controversial ranking at all

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Anonymous #2 4w

C-Span has the same list. https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall

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Anonymous #3 4w

Or vividly support his goals of white supremacist technofascism

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Anonymous #7 4w

The New Deal didn't do shit to get us out of our economic issues, changing from our isolationist approach to the war was what did

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Anonymous #2 4w

oh. so you’re just confidently bullshitting without actually having read any US history (aside from what, your hs social studies course?)

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Anonymous #2 4w

(dunning-krueger effect back at it again with another whopper)

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Anonymous #9 4w

Bet you're the same type of person to complain about the effects of monoculture crop industry in the US

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Anonymous #2 4w

lmao wait are you trying to imply that monoculture agriculture is something that shouldn’t be criticized? almost making me feel bad

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Anonymous #9 4w

Nope, who do you think started that system?

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Anonymous #2 4w

I mean technically it started quite a long time ago, but I’m assuming you’re referring to when it was industrialized in the US?

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Anonymous #9 4w

either way though, I don’t think anyone here is claiming that a single president is flawless by any means, most (if not all) are war criminals; but we can recognize individual contributions as needed that’s aside from how this is technically an inherently subjective topic, like authoritative figures can claim to have an absolute list but that will commonly change person-to-person based on their individual belief of what necessitates a “great president” or “doing good”

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Anonymous #9 4w

hell, I know there’s some people that hold…wildly oppressive ideologies on here (to put it as nicely as possible), and I’d assume would probably have some pretty crazy rankings :/

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Anonymous #9 4w

My point isn't that FDR is imperfect, its that leading the country in WW2 and experiencing economic growth because of it pales in comparison to not unjustly imprisoning entire minority groups on a moral scale. Even further than that, we can attribute his "better" policy decisions to systemic issues in the nation today.

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Anonymous #2 4w

So no, I don't trust the guy at this left wing think tank to make unbiased decisions about the best presidents are, his ideas about who that'd be already directly conflict with mine within the first 5 presidents listed.

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Anonymous #2 4w

And I'm not saying that because of my own biases (although I hate FDR and will admit they are present), I am saying this because I cannot morally and truthfully say otherwise

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Anonymous #2 4w

I think the issue is not so much regarding the Japanese internment camps, because I’d be surprised if any of us disagreed with you on that, but rather how you attribute all economic growth to the war when we have data that displays the new deal did indeed spur growth it’s absolutely valid to discuss the systemic issues present, and how they come into play, as when the new deal passed we concurrently were engaging in Jim Crow segregation, redlining, and so many other forms of prejudice,

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Anonymous #9 4w

I'm not saying it didn't provide a temporary boost, I'm saying it did nothing to get us out of the Great Depression.

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Anonymous #9 4w

which absolutely was maliciously leveraged for economic reasons as well (partially why reparations was never entertained, aside for reparations for the slavers…) That being said, even if the new deal did “bring us out of the depression”, that by no means excuses or dismisses the systemic oppression that occurred under his hand. I doubt anyone else is saying that (if they are, fuck them), but I’m absolutely not trying to imply that FDR was a “good person” or some shit.

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Anonymous #9 4w

Well if you're not implying that he's a good person, the implication is still that the other 48 are worse than him. I can't point to anything JFK has done that compares to FDR's misdeeds, can you?

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Anonymous #2 4w

tbh that’s a good point, I didn’t even recognize that until you mentioned it. in all honesty, not that JFK was anti capitalist or anything, but i feel like he ranks lower than he should due to the unfettered support for capitalism in this nation. If he didn’t die, I suspect he would’ve threatened the capitalist hegemony

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Anonymous #9 4w

Yeah I agree there, although maybe by a different name than the capitalist hegemony. He challenged a lot of powerful people and ideologies in our society, and a lot of people (myself included) would argue that it led to his death.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Imo, that alone is a greater moral good for this country than anything throughout FDR's terms. I'd feel safe saying about a lot of presidents that they'd go to war against the Nazis if the Nazis threatened America with war. I don't think I could say for many others, if any, besides JFK that they actually challenged the American political system on behalf of their constituents.

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