Anonymous blue__wave 37w

Look at the person who quoted this post with the sourcing

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Anonymous dumbegg 37w

The x post lol?

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Anonymous blue__wave 37w

The one that has the CNN broadcast of him saying that yes lmfaoooo is anything ever good enough for you?

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Anonymous dumbegg 37w

This is my problem 1. I think people should look at more than a clip from x 2. If you look at full context he’s not saying we shouldn’t use pronouns he’s saying we should focus on table top issues which is fine to say.

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Focusing on solutions to the issues that affect most people is what wins elections. All the pronouns in the world and leftists still won’t vote for Democrats in national elections because they can feel more self righteous by endlessly purity testing them over 2% differences in opinion. Please just go make your own party.

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He’s not saying we shouldn’t talk about trans rights he’s saying we shouldn’t focus on culture war issues relating to pronouns. We’re stretching what he’s saying so hard to make it bad.

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Anonymous #5 37w

True

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That or you guys haven’t seen the clip

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Nobody said abandon anything. Just don’t make these your banner issues. You sound like you desperately need to unfollow Hasan.

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Nothing I do is performative and everything is focused on actually improving outcomes. This is why you didn’t see me doing completely ridiculous things like voting for Jill Stein over Gaza. The only people who think Democrats are adopting far right policies are commie fucking losers. Which, I reiterate, need to fuck off out of my party and go be worthless somewhere where they aren’t influencing liberals goals.

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Now who’s being performative?

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I was wrong you don’t need to turn off Hasan, you need to take your fucking meds because you’re just flat out hallucinating 🤣

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You’re hallucinating my positions, for one thing. “Don’t make this a banner issue because it’s unpopular enough to decide national elections” does not mean “Abandon the issue and the people it affects.” It means “Do not constantly screech on every platform imaginable about trans rights to the detriment of literally every electoral goal you have including trans rights.”

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I’m genuinely not sure what makes you believe this aside from just being a brainrotted tankie who pays no attention to polls. Abolishing ICE is a mainstream/majority position among Independents and Democrats. But it’s easy for you to say “Democrats support this” when you engage in the exact sort of aim-gun-at-foot politics that prevents Democrats from ever gaining the margins that actually let them implement their agenda.

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I do mean this completely genuinely - please never vote in a Democratic primary, please cease all public political advocacy. We do not need your voice and we will get the things you want done faster without you.

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This is pretty precisely what I mean. You have zero capacity for strategic political thought and your priorities do not include harm reduction. You would rather accomplish nothing when you don’t have the power to accomplish everything you want, let Trump rule by edict so you can sit on YikYak and say “Well, I didn’t vote for him.”

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Anonymous #5 37w

There is very obviously a training issue. That is not the larger issue, but the larger issue can’t be solved right now. Seven Democrats (six of you don’t count Fetterman) broke with leadership to fund DHS/ICE and were lambasted by the entire party, primary challengers are not letting them forget it.

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Who’d you vote for though

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Yeah, that’s what I thought.

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I can’t tell if this is a bit or if you’re genuinely this fucking stupid, neither would surprise me, but since I have zero incentive (in fact, a disincentive) to you participating in Dem primaries, I will not try to convince you that there are current Democratic primaries occurring. Good day.

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Anonymous #5 37w

It *is* a mainstream position against democrats and independents. It’s also a position utterly rejected by Democratic politicians like Newsom, Schumer, Jeffries etc. The people want to abolish ICE (or even the whole DHS) and conservative Dems say “uhhh let’s give them $75b dollars if they pinky promise to wear body cams.

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There was a primary prior to the 2024 election, which Joe Biden won handily, and when he dropped out of the race the options were open convention or align behind a candidate. The DNC chose the latter. It may piss you off to realize that you’re literally playing into the literal stupidest conservative talking points imaginable, but party processes were followed at every step whether you want to admit it or cry about it.

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So cringe if you have read that deeply into his statements your lost in the sauce idk what else to say. Like what are examples of Gavin targeting trans people ?

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“When the sitting incumbent was given the primary win” You mean when anyone who wanted to run against him ran and failed to break 10%? If he’d died in May 2024 none of you would be saying shit, stop doing the GOP’s propaganda work for them and shut the absolute fuck up if you don’t even know the party’s nomination procedures.

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Why are you assuming it’s a dog whistle? thats my disagreement. It wasn’t a favorable light it just wasn’t super confrontational which I agree was kinda cringe but he was pretty selective with what he agreed with.

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What attempts you replied to me once lol?

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You keep begging the question in this convo. Why is it favorable? I looked into “my son was a fan” he never said that lol he said in an interview “my son wasn’t a fan of him as much as he was familiar with him”

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Who tf everyone your the only who’s responded to me aside from dumb egg.

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He didn’t define culturally normal but the example he gave was focusing less on pronouns. If I had to guess he’s saying most Americans don’t engage with the dynamics of non binary or trans pronouns. They do engage with table top issues which is what he said we should focus on. Idk why we would think that’s supposed to be a dog whistle.

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Why is it dog whistle? Why are we assuming that still? Again we’re begging the question.

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Why are you assuming he’s referring to your rights. We’re assuming so many weird things to make this statement bad. He said nothing about your rights when he elaborated on the phrase. It’s fine to say a thing is a dog whistle but you have to contextualize why you think it’s a dog whistle otherwise probably almost any statement could be construed as a dog whistle.

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No you didn’t why are you assuming it’s coded language?

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How am I supposed to prove a negative lol what? I’m supposed to prove his statement isnt coded language to anti trans people how would I possible prove that? I already told you what it probably meant. No he didn’t when did ever say his support was a mistake? pls show me. He’s not making homophobic comments the burden of proof for that is on you not me.

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Can you prove unicorns aren’t real?

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Anonymous #5 36w

It’s literally just a factual statement? Biden was clearly unfit for office, and yes the DNC keeps pivoting to the right. For fucks sake the heir apparent of the DNC (Gavin Newsom) is literally saying that his early support for gay marriage was a mistake, that we need to abandon LGBT rights to be a more “normal culture”, and let us not forget that his son “loved” Charlie Kirk, arguably the most famous white supremacist of the 21st century.

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Anonymous #7 36w

When did he say it was mistake? pls post what you’re referencing. He didn’t say we should abandon lgbt rights he said we shouldn’t focus on pronouns over table top issues. When did his son say he loved Charlie Kirk?

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Anonymous #7 36w

Post what you’re referencing for any this. If you’re referencing the recent cnn interview you’re just blatantly lying.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Tankies just fucking lie

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Anonymous #5 36w

I don’t think it’s intentional, I just think they’re desperate to smear any mainstream dem presidential candidate so they justify not voting for them later. This is about keeping up the world view.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

He was literally expressing that he gets why other politicians waited to support gay marriage (i.e. that it was a bad move on his part, but which fortunately worked out). The man is a sociopath, he makes it extremely clear he believes in absolutely nothing. In the same interview he said we’ve gone way too far with transgender equality for instance, referring to his song bringing certain instances to his attention. Watch the interview. Oh and also watch the Charlie Kirk interview, where he says

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Anonymous #7 36w

his son is a big fan

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Half of it is from the CNN interview (all true), the rest is from when he literally had Charlie Kirk on his show and agreed with him and said how his kid is a big fan.

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Anonymous #5 36w

Not a tankie…. blue_wave is a blue MAGA pos. Literally epstein’s strongest soldier.

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Anonymous #7 36w

You can define Blue MAGA however you want, clearly none of you fucking vote so it really makes no difference to me, just please it might be more comfortable for you to jerk off alone in private.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I voted for Kamala Harris. I will vote for Gavin Newsom if he is the nominee. If Gavin Newsom is the nominee we are almost guaranteed to lose and I will end up in a concentration camp, so unfortunately I won’t be able to say “I told you so” when running an amoral, sociopathic neolib fails once again, because the average voter is basically cattle, and will always prefer sincere evil over evil insincere good.

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Anonymous #7 36w

Take your fucking meds

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Anonymous #7 36w

There’s a difference between saying you understand why politicians waited bc of tactical political reasons vs saying you understand why they waited bc you think gay marriage is wrong. Don’t conflate the two. You’ve misrepresented most of this interview .

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Anonymous #7 36w

No he’s not I can send you an interview where Gavin clarifies his statements during the Charlie Kirk interview and explains that his son isn’t a fan he’s just familiar with him. Literally this “his son was a fan” talking point came from rightwing podcasters who reacted to the interview.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

No I haven’t actually… he was saying that what they did was fine. Which is morally abhorrent. His words make it clear that his support of marriage equality was entirely a strategic move, not based on any principled moral position.

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Anonymous #7 36w

To be clear you are just misrepresenting the interview and that’s where you gotten all of this from. I’m not blue maga I’ve criticized democrats before I just think the blatant lying is bad and gross.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

He literally fucking said his son was a fan dude what do you want me to say? He’s brought it up several times since, he literally brought it up recently in the context of his son showing him a video about trans athletes that swayed his opinion.

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Anonymous #7 36w

When? pls post the source I’ll send you the interview clip.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Blatant lying is when you analyze what people say and what it means instead of twisting yourself into knots to give them an unearned charitable interpretation. Explain to me how calling LGBT equality not a “real issue” isn’t reactionary, in a climate where the other side literally talks about “eradicating” them and gets applause for it?

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Anonymous #7 36w

No blatantly lying is when you can’t produce the source for a quote you’ve repeated multiple times at this point when did he say his son was a fan?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Literally google it, I just pulled it up in a clip from WAAY 31 News and it’s right at the start of the video. He literally describes his son jumping up and down excited about the prospect of Kirk coming, and then insisting he has to skip school to be there for his interview with Kirk. And then after that Newsom claims he was “just familiar”. Does that sound like just familiarity? Afterwards news continues to marvel at how much his son “knows” about a bunch of other far right media figures.

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Anonymous #7 36w

When did he say it wasn’t a real issue? Source anything you’re saying pls

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Literally just commented it. He literally describes his sons major excitement about the interview, and only when asked again goes “he wasn’t a fan of him, as much as he was familiar” which anyone with a brain can tell is a lie.

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Anonymous #7 36w

Pls watch the video you just referenced he literally explicitly says his son wasn’t a fan. You must actually be rage baiting you referenced a video where he says the opposite of what you’re claiming go to time stamp 0:50.

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Anonymous #7 36w

Omg you didn’t watch the full video

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

You can’t send links here dumbass. We’re talking about the ABC interview. “we need to be less prone to spend a disproportionate amount of time on pronouns… identity politics. more focused on table top issues. *things that really matter*”. Democrats literally don’t talk about pronouns or identity politics, basically at all. These issues are in the current discussion politically entirely because Conservatives are obsessed with them. Why is he embracing the far right’s framing of the issue here?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

He literally describes the behavior of an excited fan and then afterwards says “well I’d say he’s just familiar”. You people are so fucking disingenuous oh my god.

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Anonymous #7 36w

Wait so you know the actual quote but you think he's pro Charlie Kirk bc he said his son knows him and wanted to see him? What's even claim at this point?

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Anonymous #7 36w

So when you said “he literally fucking said his son was a fan” you realize that was a blatant right?

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Two separate issues? You’re on the wrong chain. He literally presents “identity politics” (the right wing’s term for any sort of social progressivism) as opposite to “things that really matter”. You don’t see the significance in saying this when the entire GOP platform is based on racism, homophobia and transphobia? There’s no value in refuting that nonsense or more importantly in protecting the rights of the millions of people that are affected by those issues?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

He literally described his son being an exited fan of Kirk, and then when it was repeated by the interviewer he backtracked. So his kid is a nazi AND he’s a snake of a politician who just says what people want to hear.

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Anonymous #7 36w

Do we seriously think a 12 year old is hard core conservative? Couldn’t he just see Charlie Kirk memes and want to see him bc of that or his friends know Charlie or some bs bc he’s 12? And even if we grant that he was a fan, does that mean Gavin is pro conservative bc his 12 year old son is a fan of Charlie Kirk? Ignoring the fact you just blatantly lied.

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Anonymous #7 36w

He just said it shouldn’t be the focus. We’re delulu land right now.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

He didn’t say it shouldn’t be the focus, he said it wasn’t an issue that mattered. Republicans are fantasizing about murdering us all, it’s very clearly an issue that matters.

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Anonymous #7 36w

You think a 12 year old believes in Nazism, from that? Again couldn’t he just be a stupid kid who saw a Charlie Kirk meme with his friends. Have you ever met a 12 year old? Why are we assuming so many things? Again after you lied btw.

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Anonymous #7 36w

What do you think he’s talking about when he’s talking about “identity politics”? You think he means anything socially progressive why would you think that?

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

because that’s what it means in the current political climate? he’s literally using right wing language to describe what he objects to about purported democratic stances, what does he have some special unique definition of his own? when conservatives cry about identity politics that’s what they mean.

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Anonymous #7 36w

Ok so we don’t know what identity politics mean. Identity politics is usually when your policy or rhetoric is aimed at a specific identity group instead of broad political body of some kind. You can have identity politics that’s trying to appeal to white cis people it’s not exclusive to progressive things.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Do you think that when conservatives (like Newsom) complain about identity politics that they’re upset about things that benefit cis white people?

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Anonymous #7 36w

Why are you assuming hes a conservative? We have do so much mental gymnastics for each quote here 🫩. No when he’s complaining about identity politics if I had to guess he’s complaining about things like the trans bathroom debate, Neo pronouns, latinx. Stuff like that

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Anonymous #7 36w

I brought up cis people bc your definition of identity politics = anything progressive is just wrong.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

So one important human rights issue that is kind of politically irrelevant (bathroom bills aren’t particularly popular, they’re literally a losing issue for the GOP because their voters are bored of it), and two nonissues that exist entirely in the minds of mentally ill conservatives? Why is he ceding ground like this? You don’t see any issue in him confirming the false picture of the DNC that Republicans present, because that’s basically what he’s saying.

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Anonymous #7 36w

So if no one gives af, it’s a non issue and it just exists so conservatives can end any convo with questions like “what is women?” Etc. why tf would you focus on it?

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Anonymous #7 36w

Yeah and you can confirm that false image by fighting on every stupid culture war issue that no one gaf about. Why do you think conservatives bring it up over and over bc they want liberals to fight them on that ground.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

Mask just slipped lmao, you think equality for LGBT people is “every stupid culture issue that no one gaf about”. Go burn in hell, Blue MAGA pos, people like you are precisely why we have Trump.

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Anonymous #7 36w

Nope I said the bathroom debate is a stupid culture war issue that no one gaf about. You literally said it was non issue. I’ll pretend to be you so you understand how much of a dipshit you are “so you think trans rights are a non isssue??” You have to try so desperately to find evil intent in every statement so you can keep living in this wacky world You live in.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

there’s no point in continuing this nonsense. follow your leader, enjoy Trump 2028-2032, I’ll pray for you etc. You should really register as a Republican, you’d fit in better.

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Anonymous #7 36w

You’re delusional, take a year long break from whatever mind fucking algorithm you’re in before you talk about politics again.

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Anonymous blue__wave 36w

I hope you’re getting paid to be this much of a shill

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Anonymous #7 36w

You’re the only one who very purposefully just made up a quote that’s closer to shill behavior than anything I’ve done.

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