Anonymous #1 3w

I mean… the Phoenicians were a Canaanite people very closely related to the ancient Israelites. Ancient Hebrew was a Canaanite dialect, just like Phoenician was. Hebrew is classified as a Semitic language.

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Anonymous #2 3w

plenty of non ultra orthodox sects have said the same thing though? holocaust survivors etc

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Anonymous OP 3w

Oh yes that’s very true I know. I’m just saying that NK are a very highly publicized group, but they are more fringe than most people realize. There are several ultra-orthodox sects that are anti-Zionist on religious grounds such as Satmar, but NK are known for being very fringe even by their standards, including aligning themselves with Iran.

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Anonymous #2 3w

thank u for informing me ^_^ i just used that picture because it was my own but there are less extreme examples of it

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Anonymous #2 3w

The anti-Zionist ultra orthodox are a very interesting subset because they have unusual reasons for being anti-Zionist. There’s the messiah thing and many also believe Israel is too secular. NK also present the more mainstream reasons during their protests too, talking about the massacres etc.

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Anonymous #2 3w

It feels like there’s kind of an interesting spectrum, where Jewish anti-Zionist people tend to either be pretty secularized or ultra-orthodox. It’s those in the middle that are often pro-Israel, from what I’ve heard talking to Jewish acquaintances.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yeah no prob! I find this topic interesting so I do a lot of research into it.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Yes they are but so is Arabic, Amharic, Maltese and a few others. My point is that anti-semantic is an inaccurate term to describe the persecution or discrimination specifically against the Israeli people/Jews.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I see what you’re saying. Semitic is a much broader umbrella yeah

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Anonymous #1 3w

Semite is a speaker of a Semitic language, Hebrew is a Semitic language. Also Semite is not a term Jewish people adopted for themselves, Semite was first used as a term for Jewish people when it came to make up half of the term “anti-Semite,” which was coined by an antisemitic German newspaper edited as a self-descriptor.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 3w

I’m not sure if you meant to imply this at all, but just tbc Semite is not an ethnic label, and nobody self-identified as a Semite historically, not until the term Semitic started to be used for the language family

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Anonymous #2 3w

Okay yeah and I thought it must be them. I don’t like how pics of them are brought up whenever you want to show “anti-Zionist Jews” because yeah, there’s lots of Jews who are anti-Zionist and who aren’t crazy

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Anonymous bongo_fury 3w

my point still stands regardless of what picture i used to make the point though😭

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