Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 2w

I feel like the democrats position is very obvious idk who’s getting tricked.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 2w

MLK criticizing the white moderate in a segregationist system is not the same thing as random Redditors using wolf metaphors about 2020s Democrats.

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Anonymous blue__wave 2w

You’re right, the Democrats have become much more openly hostile to progress in recent years, mostly out of spite for progressives who are simultaneously strong enough to spoil elections AND weak enough to not ever need to throw a bone to

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 2w

In what way? Democrats have been pretty openly accepting of Mamdani at this point and the justice dems what’s an example of this? If anything they’ve been more accepting.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 2w

Left wingers believe that though and none of you will ever say which one you are. You’ll deal in moral absolutes but you won’t simply say which one you are. Are you a big enough group that has to be catered to for elections? Or is it a waste of time and Dems shouldn’t care about leftists?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

I don’t think progressives are a big enough group to FULLY spoil an election, but they are a big enough group to help win one. Kamala Harris didn’t lose solely because of progressives, but progressives sitting out/protest voting was one factor among many. I think the bigger factor was her refusal to distance herself from her unpopular predecessor in any way, which pissed off both progressives and the more politically detached folks who only vote every 4 years.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 2w

So progressives can claim leverage when Democrats win, but disclaim relevance when Democrats lose? That’s convenient.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 2w

No I think self-identified progressives have a certain amount of political leverage, enough to have an impact but not enough to be solely responsible for either outcome. The true most important factor is the broadly politically disengaged voter. A group who are also receptive to progressive politics. There’s a reason 2008 was the biggest Democratic Party W of the 21st Century, Obama ran progressive, which appealed to more than just self-identified progressives.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 2w

I think you’re flattening two different eras into “Clinton = center” and “Obama = progressive.” Obama’s appeal was a lot broader than just left ideology. The unity message especially, anti-Iraq stance, personal charisma, and the financial crisis all mattered. Using 2008 as proof that simply moving left recreates that coalition feels way too neat. Obama wasn’t calling the Democratic Party the wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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