Anonymous #4 1w

the question is not whether you think you want to do it but whether or not it’s child abuse

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Anonymous #5 1w

why would it be child abuse?

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Anonymous #2 1w

why would artificially delaying puberty in a child based on the potential for future gender change be child abuse? idk

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Anonymous #5 1w

because gender-affirming care is a necessary, evidence-based, and reversible medical intervention for adolescents with extreme gender dysphoria

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Anonymous #5 1w

No, I actually do know what my question was. I was asking whether OP understands that allowing minors access to hormone blockers does not mean everyone is required to take them. Choice ≠ coercion. Thanks for trying, though.

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Anonymous #2 1w

gender affirming care should be a last resort not a first line of defense

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Anonymous #5 1w

if they say they’re gonna kill themselves if they don’t transition then maybe it should be considered

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Anonymous #5 1w

we live in society where gender transition ruins your social status for better or for worse

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Anonymous #5 1w

why? major medical associations consider gender-affirming care medically necessary, evidence based-care, not a last resort it is designed to improve mental health, reducing depression and suicidality

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Anonymous #5 1w

Gender-affirming care is an umbrella term for care that supports a person’s well-being and sense of self. For children and adolescents, it is overwhelmingly non-medical and reversible. For example, letting a child choose their clothes, haircut, or name and providing safe environments.

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Anonymous #5 1w

so therefore we should not let trans kids / people identify as trans?

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Anonymous #2 1w

it should be discouraged unless they’re gonna kill themselves like i said

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Anonymous #5 1w

why though? it’s evidence-based, we know it works. it’s safe and reversible in a lot of cases. most major medical associations consider it the first line of treatment, but you know better than doctors? 😂

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Anonymous #5 1w

Blockers have never been given to a child under 12 and less than 0.1% of trans minors receive blockers or hormones, it’s so insanely rare and done in the most extreme case by case basses with so much going into it before it’s done

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Anonymous #2 1w

I don’t think underdeveloped humans should undergo transgender procedures. Whether it be a phase in your life or a genuine change of identity, messing with the hormones of the youth can have long lasting consequences, and its not insane or discriminatory to just wait until you’re developed as an adult to make the decision

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Anonymous #6 1w

I said I wasn’t gonna make unnecessary arguments so I don’t wanna drag this on too much, but viewing a natural puberty for a trans kid as the default position is completely wrong. That’s an irrevocable event which can cause the lifelong harm and dysphoria. Puberty blockers *are* how you let them make a decision once they are an adult.

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Anonymous #6 1w

again, doctors all over the world say it’s safe, it’s evidence-backed, often reversible, and supported by major medical organizations do you think you know more than doctors about medicine?

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Anonymous #6 1w

Whether you personally believe anyone should wait until age 25 to make medical decisions is a separate philosophical opinion, not a description of how medical care or bodily autonomy works. By 18, a person is legally an adult and has the right to make decisions about their own body, even decisions you disagree with. You don’t get to control that, and discomfort is not a veto. Someone else’s medical choices, and any regret they may or may not experience, are theirs to handle, not yours.

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Anonymous #6 1w

also gender-affirming care has a regret rate lower than almost all types of major surgery, people have higher regret rates for surgeries to set bones in their arm than gender-affirming care, 1% regret rate

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Anonymous #3 1w

Sorry, I just don’t understand how allowing your body to biologically develop in the natural order is “completely wrong”. I would appreciate if someone could enlighten me

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Anonymous #7 1w

Also puberty blockers aren’t just a trans thing, they’re much more often given to cis kids. Fewer than 1 in 1000 trans kids receive hormones or blockers and over two times as much are older often very suicidal youth who receive hormones than the ones who receive blockers, blockers for trans people are very very rare

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Anonymous #6 1w

bc some people’s gender identity doesn’t align with their body, the “natural order” you proclaim doesn’t exist for everyone, some men are attracted to men, it’s not unnatural, it’s a widely recognized variation in human behavior

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Anonymous #7 1w

Wait by never been given to a child under 12 I mean for trans reasons, their main purpose in existing I think is to be given to younger cis children to delay early puberty

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Anonymous #6 1w

So this can be better informed by talking to a trans person but I can try my best as a cis person with many trans friends. The easiest way to think of it is that you’re trapped in the wrong body, and that you are psychologically tormented by everything that reminds you of such. So like for a trans woman it would be genitalia, jaw size, facial hair, musculature, body hair. All things which are greatly amplified by male puberty.

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Anonymous #3 1w

And many of these traits are irreversible without surgery. Even if you get on hormones later in life, that doesn’t make your Adam’s Apple or jaw go away. By forcing a trans kid to go though natural puberty, you are making it so that the rest of their life is a lot harder and putting them at a higher risk of suicide.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I’m in the medical field to become a doctor but no I am not fully educated as such nor did I say that I was. I am simply using my current knowledge and understanding of the human body. As I said enlighten me.

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Anonymous #4 1w

True and I would not discriminate against that choice. I am pro choice, whether that choice is good or not is my opinion only.

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Anonymous #6 1w

some people’s inner gender identity doesn’t match their external body, it’s that simple, that’s what being transgender is

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Anonymous #2 1w

I assume your sources are reliable

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Anonymous #6 1w

The AMA is pretty reliable

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Anonymous #2 1w

How does a natural order cease to exist in nature? Whether it is your identity or not a human can only biologically be male or female… and that is why certain procedures exist for certain sexes

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Anonymous #6 1w

sex and gender are different, sex is your biological coding (which also there’s more than just XX and XY, there’s chromosomal and phenotypic differences and disorders beyond typical male-female, sexuality is more of a spectrum than a pure binary) gender is entirely a social construct, you can change gender bc it’s not set in stone in the first place

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Anonymous #6 1w

And I never said being gay was unnatural, don’t understand why people put words in my mouth over disagreements

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Anonymous #6 1w

usually “natural order” is a Christian argument and Christians are generally homophobic so I made an assumption

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Anonymous #6 1w

No trans person is arguing that they are a biological male or female other than they are born as

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Anonymous #2 1w

Precisely why I emphasized using the term sex and not gender

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Anonymous #2 1w

Your incorrect assumptions only create tension… my Christian background doesn’t influence or have anything to do with the science of the human body

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Anonymous #6 1w

yeah, but if you’re studying to be a doctor, I’d recommend reading up what the American medical association says surrounding transgender care, if you don’t respect the AMA then you shouldn’t be a doctor

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Anonymous #3 1w

Forcing? I truly dont think allowing your body to function is forced… but I guess theres no true argument. If you’re going to do it then thats that.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I haven’t gotten to that point dawg I simply came across this post and decided to post my current opinion and state of mind

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Anonymous #6 1w

yeah, your opinion goes against medical consensus

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Anonymous #6 1w

I don’t understand your hostility when it comes to a topic of caring for other people. Just because I don’t agree with certain standpoints doesn’t make me a homophone and want you to go kill yourself

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Anonymous #2 1w

But if you wanna be a fucking loser and argue go ahead and enjoy your miserable life ✌️😭 I appreciate the people who genuinely care to enlighten the misinformed or the ignorant

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Anonymous #6 1w

no, I was just making an example out of how homosexuality isn’t “natural” in a lot of people’s eyes even though it’s a common natural variation in sexuality being transgender is also a natural variation in human psychology, that’s why I think the “natural order” argument js stupid, sorry if I didn’t make my point clear enough

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Anonymous #2 1w

That’s understandable, my opinion was centered solely on the biology of the matter, as I understand the psychology of it is more complex. But based on what I now understand biology and psychology in these cases intertwine heavily

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Anonymous #6 1w

ultimately the human body is fucked up and weird, it’s not designed, it’s the culmination of millions upon millions of years kludging together something that works. It’s not surprising that you end up with people who don’t fit in neat boxes, and those people deserve to be able to treat their own body how they want.

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Anonymous #6 1w

puberty blockers are literally the bare minimum for gender affirming care. It’s delaying puberty. The way you reverse it is “stop taking them”. It is a way to delay irreversible changes to the body. saying minors shouldn’t have access to it is a bit ridiculous when I know people who have some pretty significant regrets about figuring out they’re trans much later in life.

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