Anonymous #1 2w

ultra nationalist racist groups that LOVE "traditionalism" and thrive off creating nostalgia for a glorious time that didnt exist being paired together? say it aint so!

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Anonymous #1 2w

really? polar opposites? as they round up marginalized communities to send to “detention centers?” as they try to stifle speech they don’t agree with? as they parrot the same rhetoric the nazis used? are you dense?

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Anonymous #1 2w

also the nazis weren’t socialist in the slightest

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Anonymous #1 2w

JD Vance literally wrote the cover blurb for a book written by Jack Posobiec that praised actual fascist Francisco Franco for how much he oppressed socialists and liberals.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Interestingly, they were actually somewhat socialist starting out, but they were never actual Marxists (though many Marxists were convinced to join the movement)

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Anonymous #4 2w

no they were not lmfao, they co-opted the term in order to manipulate the German working class whilst never materially adopting any socialist ideology or policy. their propaganda still works, till this day, as you perfectly demonstrated.

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Anonymous #5 2w

Not all of the initial program was implemented to the same extent, but they maintained these goals throughout the reich. It’s not quite correct to say it was entirely for propaganda purposes, but it is true that basically all of their "socialist" policies had ulterior antisemitic motives. https://www.vaholocaust.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/25Points.pdf

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Anonymous #5 2w

Basically, they aimed to implement policies you might’ve expected from a socialist party at that time, but without any of the actual class struggle or marxist theory behind it.

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Anonymous #5 2w

So kind of like extremely racist DemSocs lol

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Anonymous #4 2w

that’s why we make the distinction between the ideology itself, and attempted co-opting of specific portions of it. people do not recognize the nazi party as being socialist primarily due to those alternative motives rooted in their genocidal campaign, whilst also never adopting any of the actual ideological beliefs of socialism. they may have implemented a fraction of a fraction of what you’d see in a social democracy; but even then a social democracy is not socialism; and

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Anonymous #5 2w

their attempts to cherry pick specific policies of what we see in modern social democracies was solely for that purpose of expanding control over the overall population until they were secure enough to proceed with unfettered genocide. it was pure propaganda my friend.

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Anonymous #5 2w

apologies, I need to correct myself from my first statement in that response: I meant to say attempted co-opting of rhetoric, the policies they’d implement for that goal more aligned with social democracies than it did socialism, and by extension, communism; correct me if I’m mistaken but there were no systemic attempts to deconstruct capitalism within the third Reich, but rather to privatize specific industries with the goal of implementing a form of state-capitalism?

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Anonymous #3 2w

Holy fuck i just looked up that book. The entire rightwing endorses it and its just about calling liberals and leftists subhumans

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Anonymous #5 2w

Yeah, this is more accurate. They did succeed in socializing industry to *some* extent, but they largely maintained private ownership. The party was riddled with intense internal conflict on this, particularly between Gottfried Feder, who was the party’s economic theorist and the strongest representative of its anti-capitalist wing, and Hjalmar Schacht, who was an economic minister who defected from the previous regime.

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Anonymous #6 2w

Yep. Frankly quite a good thing to point to if anyone claims Vance isn’t himself evil just like Trump or that republicans don’t support fascists.

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Anonymous #5 2w

It’s less that the party was cynically planning to “bait and switch” voters the whole time and more that external pressure from Germany’s major industrialists eventually led to the internal anti-capitalist faction being slowly de-emphasized and suppressed in favor of Schacht’s far more enterprise friendly approach

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Anonymous #5 2w

Schacht wrote in the 'Magic of Money' that "National Socialist agitiation under the leadership of Gottfried Feder was directed in great fury against private banking and against the entire currency system.” He explains that the goal of Feder and his pupils was to bring an end to their “entire banking and monetary economy" and that he "had to try to steer Hitler away from these destructive conceptions." (p. 154)

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