Anonymous #1 4w

Lmaooo this. I am not going to pretend that I know everything, but I am actively trying to learn more. And I believe that capitalism is failing the world. I feel like more people should have this attitude.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Explain how.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I assume you are one of them and think it means A classless society where “everyone is equal” and there is no private ownership for communism

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Anonymous #2 4w

Both ideologies prey upon the weak, keep them there, keep them reliant, and then tell them that they are the solution to all their woes. Those that fall for it are the real victims

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Anonymous #2 4w

Private ownership is currently what is oppressing you. It is what allows workers to become wage slaves, it is what allows banks to kick people from their homes, and it allows landlords to rob people of their living space. The idea of a collective ownership is liberating to so many, whether you choose to realize it or not

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Anonymous #2 4w

Capitalism is explicitly doing that RIGHT NOW. Businesses owners dangle the threat of homelessness and poverty above the heads of workers in order to force them into accepting slave wages.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Private ownership is the incentive to do good work and contribute as much as you can to society. The threat of poverty or homelessness is just a reality for the lazy, you get what effort you put in

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Anonymous #2 4w

If people don’t get to reap the benefits of their own work then there is no reason for them to do good work they are not incentivized to care

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Anonymous #2 4w

We are not in a meritocracy or else the single mother of 3 who has to work job in order to feed her family would be at the same level as Elon musk. This is elementary thinking

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Anonymous #2 4w

Fighting for a better world is a better, and more humane incentive than “if you don’t do this you will be sleeping on the street”

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Anonymous #2 4w

so when you say "understand it the least" i assume you mean moreso "what communism/socialism in application has done" rather than "what it is" because if you were to say the latter youd be wrong, and the former is would arrive at a conclusion akin to saying we dont have real capitalism. "both ideologies prey upon the weak" im confused as to how this is a point when capitalisms whole deal is social darwinism and survival of the fittest. "keep them reliant" again, hypocritical

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Anonymous #2 4w

your fourth comment starts with an arbitrary statement? which is just... not true. "you get what effort you put in" is so fucking laughable that i think you belong on a stand up stage in front of the world. theres not a damn shot in hell you actually believe that. "if people dont get to reap the benefits of their own work" not sure where this is coming from. "they are not incentivized to care" "there is no reason for them to do good work" dude have you had a single coworker in your life.

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Anonymous #2 4w

through all this you never addressed it yet you were opposed to "a classless society where „everyone is equal”" fundamentally, without some eugenics ass attempts (which also would be a huge failure), everyone is not equal. that is a fact of nature. i dont know why youd be opposed to the idea of treating people equitably so we can all be productive and healthy, but its a strange stance to take. a "classless society" you oppose, im curious as to which class barriers you value so highly

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Anonymous #2 4w

Idk man I think I’d live a better life if I didn’t need to worry about going broke from a hospital visit

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Anonymous #1 4w

The only thing I’m going to say is you really need to do some soul searching, capitalism is not the evil that communists have taught you it really is. Maybe think about who is telling you these things and their anterior motives (cause they most certainly have one). As for your lack of understanding of capitalism, it does not prey on the weak, it is equitable, everyone will get what they need if they honestly contribute. There is no need to be “humane” because anyone who is utterly useless

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Anonymous #2 4w

(Like you) should not be cared for by the rest of society. So please stop going down the rabbit hole of communism, it has failed, it will always fail, and that is because it is bad. And you can’t say every communist country that has failed “wasn’t really communism” eventually you have to either accept that the way the ideology has manifested is the ideology or that it is so horrifically stupid that it won’t ever come to exist

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Anonymous #2 4w

“Generate shareholder profit or die” is really quite the take. Not a good one but it’s something

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Anonymous #2 4w

Btw like all of the top happiest counties on the planet are more socialist than we are. Argue with a wall, you sound like a complete piece of shit

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Anonymous #3 4w

At least I’m not the country where millions will be dying from starvation a year

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Anonymous #2 4w

The cop out arguments lol, you do realize we’re already a socialist tweaked economy? Red scare propaganda sure did its work on you

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yeah man these guys are known for their famines. Not like we have issues keeping our population fed while also being the literal richest country on the planet. Did you get your lobotomy done at Clair’s?

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Anonymous #4 4w

Guys just regurgitating McCarthy-era propaganda at this point, it’s actually fucking sad

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Anonymous #3 4w

Those are all capitalist countries

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Anonymous #3 4w

You do realize they’re some of the most socialist countries though? Yes they have capitalist aspects, however they’re heavily socialist? Kinda like how WE are partially socialist right now and have been for decades? It isn’t just one or the other 🤣

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Anonymous #4 4w

Sorry this was meant to be in reply to #5 lol I need a face palm for myself now

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Anonymous #4 4w

The nordic countries are ranked near the top of the economic freedom index, which is a measure of how capitalistic an economy is. Of course they’re mixed economies like every country, but they’re heavily tilted towards free enterprise.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Yet they still supply or mandate social programs like universal healthcare, education, generous parental leave, public child and elder care, and housing subsidies. These are the things that socialists here are asking for, not a complete reworking of our economic systems

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Anonymous #5 4w

This graph also fucks up the idea that taxing the rich is going to push them all out of the country lol bc Sweden and Norway both hit their higher earners more

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Anonymous #3 4w

Sweden and Norway have much less progressive taxation than the US. They tax the middle class way more than we do.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Socialists are quite literally asking for a complete reworking of our economic system. Capitalism with some redistribution is not socialism.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Which is literally what every leftist has been saying for decades. We aren’t pro pure socialism 🤣 we just want more socialist inspired policies and programs because we know they can work and that our current hyper capitalism isn’t working

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Anonymous #4 4w

Whenever someone suggest a socialist program the right goes into a fit saying we’re trying to make the US communist, when in reality we’re just looking at the numbers and our own reality and figuring out “what we’ve been doing isn’t working and what they’ve been doing has, let’s try a little bit of what they’re doing and see how it goes”

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Anonymous #4 4w

You should talk to your fellow leftists, because they’re clearly not on the same page as you.

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Anonymous #5 4w

… did you already forget about mamdani’s campaign? The things he ran on? What about Bernie and his promises? There have been 2 democratic socialists that have picked up traction so far and neither of them were looking for a total collapse and reworking of our system lmao

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Anonymous #5 4w

Bro the only leftists you talk to are in arguments online, and you’re telling me to get in touch with reality 🤡 I’m actually part of a left leaning local activist group for my area, I talk to all kinds of people on both sides, I suggest you touch some grass do too

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Anonymous #3 4w

Up until he started his campaign, Mamdani’s public comments suggested he would like to rework the entire economic system. Just because it isn’t currently an electable stance, doesn’t mean it isn’t common. Hell, OP is clearly advocating for it.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Up until he started his campaign, when he started running he knew that he had to tone it down and that those goals aren’t achievable. You’re scared of something you yourself are proud of not being a possibility. He’s a mayor lol he can’t actually change the economic system for a city into pure socialist

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Anonymous #4 4w

Just because I know it’s unlikely at this instant, doesn’t mean I’m naive enough to believe it’s not possible in my lifetime. As the disaster that was the USSR fades from living memory, marxism is rapidly increasing in popularity which should scare anyone who has studied history or economics.

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Anonymous #5 4w

All that concern while a literal fascist is destroying our constitution and country. I mean be afraid of the possibility of heavy socialist reform from a mayor, I’m going to keep being concerned about the very real and present blatant disregard for our legal system and checks and balances being committed by a felon rapist fascist conman sitting in the Oval Office lmao

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Anonymous #2 4w

wow that was a lot of words that i do not believe you understand a single one of. "you need to do soul searching" weird, condescending, and not applicable to this. "capitalism is not the evil communists have taught you it is" have you considered that ive never tied down to a high chair and spoon fed anything about "the evils of capitalism" when the opposite is like a fundamental part of the american education system?

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Anonymous #2 4w

"their anterior motives" hooray another win for the you have no idea what the words youre using mean theory "capitalism does not prey on the weak" literally just a nuh uh answer "it is equitable" another win for the you have no idea what the words youre using mean theory "everyone will get what they need if they honestly contribute" ahahahahahhahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahagahahahahahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa

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Anonymous #2 4w

"there is no need to be „humane” because anyone is is utterly useless should not be cared for by the rest of society" either another win for the you dont know what the words youre using mean theory or youre just... evil? and like fundamentally inhuman? and on top of either, you act as judge, jury, and executioner - id be surprised if you DIDNT argue capital punishment for any non white collar crimes

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Anonymous #2 4w

im not even going to address the last of that because its another conversation entirely in which you, being as incapable of picking up a dictionary or anything as you are, are someone id not want to spend that time getting into.

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Anonymous #2 4w

and just to go back and read my own comments which you replied to... you did not actually respond to anything. just replied to it with irrelevant actual shit i find on the ground. you just spout stuff that isnt connected to anything i said at all at any point. i say point 1 you say blah blah blah

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Anonymous #1 4w

I love when people use ad hominem attacks because it has been shown that it is connected to them having no real argument left to make BUT are unwilling to admit you were right So thank you for telling me that you are incapable of arguing against what I said As for me being “evil” it is not evil to not want to have to carry the likes of you on my back as I work 2 jobs and am a full time student. I just know that my contribution to society is worthy of care, for those that don’t contribute they

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Anonymous #2 4w

Do not deserve our support

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Anonymous #2 4w

Ah yes, the “I’ll happily watch people starve and freeze to death because I don’t think they contribute enough to society” gang 🙄 especially when you emphasize that only you and your ideology are the only ones capable of determining who qualifies for that, totally not a human rights violation waiting to happen lol

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Anonymous #4 4w

I’m just saying, the people who have the ability to contribute or provide for themselves and choose not to, expecting others to help them, should not get our support. They are leaches that weaken the system

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Anonymous #2 4w

ad hominem? theres no argument. you ignored everything i said to ramble on the exact same shit you started with. this is you talking to yourself and me talking at you.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I am just pointing out that you aren’t even giving arguments because you are choosing to attack me instead of the reality of my argument

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Anonymous #2 4w

i gave arguments. you talked to yourself instead of responding. i stopped giving a shit because you earned that. great job you pwned another libral

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Anonymous #4 4w

Its possible to be concerned about multiple things at once. Nice red herring though.

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Anonymous #1 4w

The people who get paid to study economic systems overwhelmingly support capitalism.

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Anonymous #5 4w

I wonder why… maybe because those people end up smarter

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Anonymous #5 4w

The people who participate in capitalism don’t, your point is?

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Anonymous #4 4w

I trust virologists over your anti-vax uncle when it comes to vaccines. The same principle applies to economics.

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Anonymous #5 4w

You’ll continue to trust your capitalist bros while the majority of the country is in poverty lmao, it isn’t a matter of whether it’s working or not, we’re at the point where we need to decide what needs to change in order to save the economy. Sucking up to hyper capitalism has only gotten us here

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Anonymous #4 4w

Majority of the country is not in poverty tho, it’s about 10% so not anywhere close to a majority. We are a lot better off than we like to cry about

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Anonymous #4 4w

We literally have the highest median income of any major country in human history.

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Anonymous #5 4w

And yet the vast majority of us are in poverty. We’re pay check to paycheck, unable to afford rent let alone houses, and food bills are skyrocketing. Median income doesn’t mean jack shit when the cost of living is higher than any socialist leaning nation that you criticize for high taxes and “lacks of personal freedoms”. It’s undeniable that our economy is crashing or at the very least in the shitter, the least you can do is admit *something* has to change away from this corporate capitalism

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Anonymous #4 4w

Buddy look up how many Americans live in poverty, not as many are suffering as you have been told are

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Anonymous #4 4w

You’re just exposing that you don’t know what you’re talking about. We have the highest median income of any major country ever, even after adjusting for the cost of living.

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Anonymous #5 4w

I never disputed your claim lol you are right 🤣 you’re just trying to bait me away from the real discussion, you’re using an algorithm to try to explain the economy when people are paid and make money in a completely different way than through gdp and median income calculators. The reality is that over a fourth of Americans are in the lower class and the 6 wealthiest Americans have more money than 3.5 billion humans worldwide. Hyper capitalism works for businesses but not the citizens

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