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BILL CLINTON: "I killed myself trying to give Palestine a deal to give them all of Gaza and 97% of the West Bank." "They turned it all down. They never wanted peace."
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Anonymous 1w

I’d love to see what the deal looked like, western parties love to offer up bad deals then claim the combatants never wanted peace when they find the terms unacceptable

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Anonymous 1w

No surprise

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Anonymous replying to -> fuuuckyikyak 1w

He also repeated the bullshit claim about Hamas using civilians as human shields so thats a rather large red flag

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Anonymous replying to -> fuuuckyikyak 1w

Bullshit might be a stretch if we being serious

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Just say exaggerated or overplayed

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

“Using civilians as human shields” implies that there was another way to fight that Hamas chose to avoid. Could you explain what other way they could fight? From their military bases that they don’t have because of Israeli blockades? From fortified positions in uninhabited areas that don’t really exist in Gaza?

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Anonymous replying to -> fuuuckyikyak 1w

So it's bullshit because they had to do it? How does that make a statement BS

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

Because it’s a dishonest framing, it puts the blame on Hamas instead of Israel where it rightfully belongs. Israel created the conditions in which Hamas is forced to operate and when Hamas defends themselves in the only way they are able to do so they are blamed for doing what they can. The only way Hamas could act morally in this framing would be to roll over and let Israel finish the ethnic cleansing

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Anonymous replying to -> fuuuckyikyak 1w

This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Congratulations 🏅

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

You’re entitled to your opinion; care to explain what specifically you disagree with?

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Anonymous replying to -> fuuuckyikyak 1w

Probably the part where you said it’s ok to use innocent people as shields in war

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Anonymous replying to -> fuuuckyikyak 1w

Just say that not total bs.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 1w

I mean it is total bs, I don’t feel any need to avoid that wording. It’s bs in the same way It’d be bs to claim that raccoons are violent and immoral creatures because I cornered one and it scratched me trying to escape. Ignoring the person forcing the violent response is entirely dishonest.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 1w

“Ok” is a pretty insufficient word here, also one I didn’t actually use. It’d be better if Hamas were able to defend themselves in a way that didnt put them in close quarters with innocent civilians but the Israelis made sure that was impossible. It might be more useful to think about if it’s “ok” for Israel to wage war on a densely populated area from which they prevent civilians from fleeing

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