Anonymous #1 7w

no, disenfranchisement is unilaterally a bad thing.

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Anonymous OP 7w

They should've thought of that before voting for a criminal fascist

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Anonymous #1 7w

No. Disenfranchising people for speech/opinions is fundamentally antithetical to the constitution and democracy. That is fascism.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Sometimes you have to use the tools of your enemy to save freedom and democracy

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Anonymous #1 7w

You are no better than they are. Disgusting.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Disenfranchisement is not inherently bad, I think it just has a really high bar for becoming justifiable. Attempting to impede the peaceful transition of power is absolutely a reason to ban a political party and examine criminal punishment for their leadership, but liberals would call that authoritarian so they never did it, and look where we are now.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

So at most disenfranchise the J6ers, just disenfranchising people for believing the election was stolen is absurdly fascist.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 7w

I don’t think you could or should try to disenfranchise every Republican voter, but their party should absolutely be banned and their leadership jailed (if not executed) and any democracy that gave a shit about staying that way would’ve done it already.

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Anonymous OP 7w

When the fascists in power decide they don't want to play by the rules anymore I'm sure it'll feel good to know you stuck to your principles instead of doing something

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Anonymous #1 7w

mate trying to “fight fascism with fascism” isn’t actually fighting fascism, you’re just willingly becoming a fascist. you’re not doing anything to combat fascism, you’re just adopting their ideology and calling it “fighting back”.

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Anonymous #4 7w

OP is 100% right. What the individuals who have been conditioned into support trump require, as well as the ones who genuinely support the rise of a fascist regime, are forced reeducation and the ability to learn why they were wrong. adopting fascist tendencies as a means of fighting fascism, does not combat fascism in the slightest. It merely expands the scope of who is a fascist. stop playing by the rules of the status quo, of course, but do not willingly adopt fascistic beliefs.

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Anonymous #4 7w

If you voted for a criminal who tried to coup the government you shouldn't get to vote in the next election

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Anonymous #1 7w

and they’re seeking the same outcome for perceived “domestic terrorists” classified under the nspm-7; you’re adopting the exact same mentality of the fascists you claim to oppose, making you not much different from them. I wonder, under your proposal, how easy it would be to falsify voting records for the sake of disenfranchising people regardless of whether they actually voted for Trump or not? these are things you need to think about, and you should not be willingly

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Anonymous #4 7w

Disregarding your humanity in favor of adopting the same fascist beliefs of the enemy.

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Anonymous #1 7w

if you want to actually fight fascism, stop focusing on elections that have already been infiltrated, and start focusing on general strikes, targeted blackouts in infrastructure, offline organization, etc etc etc. movements like deflock for example.

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Anonymous #4 7w

you make some good arguments .. i don’t think it’s fascist to say that anyone who supported J6 should never be allowed to vote in an election again but like obviously you shouldn’t ban republicans from voting…i do agree that meaningful change can’t exactly happen from elections until certain changes like citizens united being overturned ect ect occurs, so civil disobedience is one of the best ways we can fight back as it stands today

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Anonymous #5 7w

But there’s no way to ban everyone who supported J6 from voting without disenfranchising some innocent people.

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Anonymous #5 7w

furthest i’d go is abolishing the senate which i think is just an insanely outdated system we have. montana and texas, north dakota and new york shouldn’t have the same say. this would reduce republican power but i don’t believe in reforming the senate specifically to take republicans power away.

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Anonymous #5 7w

but that’s the thing, how do you ensure that you’re only disenfranchising the individuals who actively supported the insurrection? also, what about individuals who didn’t support the j6 insurrection but do still support the rest of the regime? What about individuals who supported j6 but has since recognized the treasonous nature of the regime, and now advocates against it? there’s far too much nuance for a solution as binary as disenfranchised or not; that’s why I advocated for re-education

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Anonymous #4 7w

especially because of how much of the regime’s support is rooted entirely in propaganda and support, rather than genuine loyalty. There’s an important discussion to be had about the state of our public education and how it relates to critical thinking in the face of propaganda, which is also why a solution involving disenfranchisement is arguably unjust. many individuals in this country were never provided the resources to be able to recognize and deconstruct propaganda in the first place,

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Anonymous #4 7w

and the rich scumbags fueling this fascist regime knows that. disenfranchising them for falling for the propaganda they were inundated with only furthers the goals of the rich who propagandized them in the first place; when instead we should be educating them and teaching them why they were wrong, and how to avoid falling for similar tactics in the future. TLDR: disenfranchisement doesn’t solve any issues, it just introduces new ones. we need to address the root causes at play.

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Anonymous #4 7w

I will say that I agree on the topic of citizens united and the senate though. IMO we need an entire electoral overhaul, heading towards a more ranked-choice based parliamentary multi-party system, rather than our current “winner takes all” two-party system. I’d hope for a lot more radical change than that as well, but at a minimum yk?

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