Anonymous localwendigo 4w

I know you are twisting facts that is from the start of the video prior to somone reaching into the car to yank her out, she was calm before ICE escalated the situation

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Anonymous OP 4w

so we are twisting facts... hm "she didnt hit him" multiple angles of the car hitting him "they were unidentified" lights on the vehicle and sirens, + you cant use the what if it wasnt ice, cause she knew it was them from her anti ice group.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

"shes was scared" literally smiling. "they were doing nothing wrong" obstruction is a felonly resisting is a crime. hitting an officer is a crime.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Mr straw man over here using quotes I never said but he was in fact not hit by the car, you can maybe claim he was clipped but that again was due to him walking in front of and to the side of the car. Which legally makes him liable

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

btw if you wanna say she was letting other cars pass, you can see her begin to move forward as the silver suv drives past to block more.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

She wasn’t obstructing, clip before this shows she was waving for them to pass and one car did, but another chose to get out and engage with her. One neighbor recorded asking what happened post shooting and her wife said they were trying to do a u turn before this all happened

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

“Hitting an officer is a crime.” An “officer” attempting to hide their identity is shady as shit.

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Anonymous OP 4w

she was being detained she shouldnt have been moving the car unless ordered by officers.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Because they cut her off, she waved again for them to pass, other ice agents passed her

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Ice no legal authority to detain citizens

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

and when they found it and doxxed him they began to make threats to his family. i wonder why i would want to hide my identity when people do shit like that

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Anonymous OP 4w

they literally do if they are commiting a crime

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

…why were people mad at him?

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

not a misdemeanor, to clear confusion, they only have the right if its a felony which obstructing can be a felony

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

And Fox News after learning about who the victim was tried to justify it saying “she had pronouns and she’s gay” not even misrepresenting it Jesse waters actually said that dumb shit

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

because he shot somone who tried to hit him with a car.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

So obstruction is punishable by death now?

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

No they weren’t she was trying to do a u turn and they blocked her in and illegally tried to detain her

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

The wheels were pointed away from him.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

mb forgot that cars can spin 90 withought moving forward, when did they invent omni direction axles. she still drove at him. still a felony

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

It’s also not obstruction cause there was no active investigation or arrest. They got out of there cars when they two of their cars already went around them. They did not have to engage and could move away easily but they chose to and escalated everything then denied a physician to perform any life saving care

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

reasonable force when faces with a CAR

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defending assulting law enforcment you have no place in this country and are the reason its getting worse.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Actually their own handbook says you can’t move in front of a car and claim self defense, there was a whole Supreme Court case about this. They are told to never walk in front of a car or shoot a moving car. That makes it on him and he wasn’t even directly in front and we she the wheels pointed away from him in several videos

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

They escalated the situation by brandishing guns at the woman in the CAR. Think you’d do better in that position?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

they only did thay because ahe escelated it by not complying and then her wife told her to drive, which she did.

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Anonymous OP 4w

guess what you cant see in hia video the tires, guess why, because theres something calld a hood, bumper, and wheel well in the way. 2. should he have been in front of the car, no. ill give you that. but he was well within policy to use lethal

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

once the car is in motion it can be considered a deadly weapon, which means, the officer can use deadly force. btw rhe wheel is facing him when it spinns then it turns so imagine if it didnt spin, hed be dead.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

once the car is in motion it can be considered a deadly weapon, which means, the officer can use deadly force. btw rhe wheel is facing him when it spinns then it turns so imagine if it didnt spin, hed be dead.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

I think they escalated by trying to yank a CITIZEN out of their car.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Guess what you could see? Her steering the car away from him. 2. There own policy says to not stand in front of a car, not shoot at a driving car, and if you are able to move away you cannot shoot at the car

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

yeah, ya know why, cause i wouldnt be there obstructing and if i was, when they tell to step out its pretty easy to open the door and step out only takes 3 moves. open door, turn, hop out.

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nah, i think i wont

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

“I wouldn’t be there obstructing.” I don’t think anyone plans on obstructing.

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Anonymous OP 4w

when did they invent omni direction axles, last i checked.you still moved forward which is in his direction

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

exept her

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Are you dumb, do you think the front wheels to not turn at all? We see her turning away, we see the wheels pointed away from him. But you are claiming cars can only move forward? She also initially reversed which means he had even more time to move away but chose to stand near the front

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Anonymous OP 4w

ya know what a turn radius is, its the radius of the turn a car can make they cant just stay in place and spin, they must first move forward with a curve. that car dont got a small turn radius, she would have hit him either way

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i think im doing pretty good with my life, got a job, good friend group, enough money to enjoy my free time

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

You sound like the worse person to watch horror movies with. “Nah, I just wouldn’t drop my keys.” “Nah, I’d just punch the killer.” “I’d hide somewhere else.”

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

So by your logic if the wheels are completely turned to the right then he must have been either to the right of the car to get hit or directly on the car to get hit, but we see the video he is on the left of the car, and again he is not allowed to be on or right in front of the car legally so who would be liable if he did actually get hit? But that doesn’t matter cause he wasn’t hit

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

i dont need to be this big important guy, just having what i like is enough for me, plus, i get to do what i love for a living

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

nah man horror movies are great, just that they make stupid decisions, me and my family love watching them

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Do you know what a car has to do to make a successful turn? Slow. Down. Do you think the car is going full speed while turning from a dead stop???

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Anonymous OP 4w

need me to explain how a turn radius works again, theres no physical way for her to have turned enough in sucha small space to not hit him and in his video you watch the car hit him

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

they still have a turn radius, do you know how cars work

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Yes, actually. I know what a turn radius is. I’m talking about speed, here.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Seems like enough space to me

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Anonymous OP 4w

that was after he was already hit, did we watch the same video

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

which you can tell because that smoke was from after he already fired, which was right after he was hit

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

I watched pretty much every angle, he wasn’t hit. Even the grainy footage a lot of idiots push show him leaning against the car and not being hit by it. Someone once argued “you here a clank” but that was hit partners banging on the side of the car with their hands

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

a car can be deadly at any speed they weigh thousands of pounds.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

So if you were driving 1 mph and I was 40 ft away I could shoot you?

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

I’m trying so hard to not make a “your mom” joke you have no fucking idea.

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Anonymous OP 4w

you if im 40 feet away your not in danger especially if im goin 1 mph

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

You’re in as much danger as the ICE agent was.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

Op*

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

You said it’s dangerous at any speed, and just like the ice agent I could move out of the way easily

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Anonymous OP 4w

being less than a foot away and being 40 is a very big difference and that fact that i have to explain that is depressing

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

lets say he didnt bounce off, lets say, he didnt shoot, if he had stayed on the car, theres no telling how far he could have been dragged. or got forbid he fell, he would have been ran over

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

How much momentum do you think a car has when it’s less than a foot away from someone and starts at a dead stop? The fact that I have to explain high school-level physics to you is really depressing.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Car hoods that aren’t designed by Elon musk are designed to prevent that.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Before the gun shot

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

After the gun shot

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

You didn’t even reply to thefuckingfbi when they dismantled your entire argument.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

that car hand enough momentum to hurt someone, you literally see him com up off the ground

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

…and then run to his getaway truck.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4w

😄

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

ie car over 2000 pounds coming at him and someone egging her on to drive

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

If you knew anything about cars, there was no imminent danger.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

wrong, he turned in the fire arm to his superior officer and stepped away as is policy

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

“Coming at him.” Somebody failed high school-level physics.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

actually i passed, but please keep insulting me if it makes you feel better

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

He was never off the ground, you never saw a second of any footage, he was standing the entire time. I literally showed you pictures of right before and after he shot at her

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

i know alot about cars, i work on my families cars, if you knew anything about cars, you would know that they are dangerous. almost as they are dangerous enough to need a license to operate one....hmmm

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Could’ve fooled me. But fine. So do you agree with the idea that people should let armed, masked men drag them from their cars?

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

hey so if you go back and reread what i sent here you’ll find that it goes into detail about which methods are prohibited in which situations. this response means nothing when deadly force isn’t permitted to stop a fleeing a vehicle, nor is it permitted when the officer has the ability to exit the path of the vehicle.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

And I know about laws, like how you cannot claim self defense of a car while choosing to stand in front of one, so legally he murdered her

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

They are dangerous. But in a situation where the person in the car has a gun to their head, the driver is not the most dangerous one in the situation.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

you act as though she had no idea who they were, there where lights, there was a siren, she went there knowing ice was there. do not act like she couldnt tell.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

wasnt to her head till she decided to drive. which she shouldnt have been

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

I already addressed this, her wife on video said they were trying to u turn and were blocked off, she let ice car pass them twice before they engaged her

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

So cars are fast enough to be deadly at that distance, but the ICE official quickdrawed on her in that time?

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Address the images I sent, they show he was not standing in front, his feet were along to the side

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Do you have any idea how easy it’d be for a kidnapper to disguise as ICE?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

So easy there are already cases

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Anonymous OP 4w

Thank you, OP.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

dog, they knew they were ice agents, they were literally there to harrass them i dont udnerstand how that is even the point here.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

It’s even crazier cause there were some highschoolers dressing up as ice to chase people and scare them, all they needed was body vests and masks and people were convinced. Fucked up state we are in

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

“There to harass them” in a parked car that two of their cars already drove past

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Anonymous OP 4w

i rewatched the video your right, he didnt come of the ground, instead he slid about a foot and a half agaisnt the car which means she still hit em

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Didn’t know harassment was punishable by death, either.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

News flash, that doesn’t constitute using lethal force.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

address the fact that deadly force literally wasn’t permitted regardless? address the fact that even within the legal scope of ICE’s operations what that officer did was unlawful. if an ICE agent is rattled so much by a pretty common occurrence within their job description that they fire their weapon 3 times on an innocent woman, they clearly should not be in this position.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

news flash it.wasnt why she was shot. hitting him was

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Straight up, no he didn’t. I just rewatched it to see how you can make that argument and he just didn’t. I don’t know how you are even coming to that conclusion. I pulled up like three angles and nothing you said is shown. Slid? At most he stumbled and that’s after he pushed on the car with his hand

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

And again look at the pictures I showed you his body was along the side of the car

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

He literally shouldn’t have been in front of the car. Like, it says in their guidelines to not be in front of a car like that. You’re victim blaming so hard right now.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

she was shot because instead of following proper procedure and moving out of the path of her vehicle, he used a prohibited method, pulled his weapon and shot her 3 times. if anything he only added to the danger when her body slumped and her car accelerated uncontrollably due to the driver being fucking killed.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

For someone who claims to know a lot about cars, you don’t seem to understand that killing a vehicle’s driver tends to lead the vehicle to lose control.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4w

i could explain this 1000 fucking ways, and yall would still never connect the fucking dots. the fact yall vote is terrifying.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

fantastic rebuttal to an officer violating the law.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

I could explain in a millions different ways not to escalate situations with deadly weapons and you’d still not understand.

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Anonymous thefuckingfbi 4w

ive explained.like fucken 12 times how he hasnt and you people repeat the same shit its like arguing with a child

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

We are using their departments handbooks and photo and video evidence, you are saying random bullshit like “the turn radius is too short” when he is not even in front of the car. We show you evidence of how he violated protocol and you pull up and unrelated protocol that does not address the original point. You are speaking with feelings and we are using fact

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 4w

for somone who claims to know whatnis and isnt illigal you seem to think that hitting a law enforcment officer isnt

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

we repeat the same shit because there are fucking LAWS and PROTOCOLS that officers HAVE TO comply with.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

He didn’t get hit, we already went over this and he can’t stand in front of the car to begin with so again he was in the wrong from the start

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Law enforcement officers aren’t supposed to hide their identities, o’ master of legality.

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

Again asking you to address the photo evidence of him not being in front of the car

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

You are crashing out and grasping at straws cause you can’t justify shooting a women in the head three times when all she did at the start was try to make a u turn and she was blocked off

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

once again, as stated, THE OFFICER SHOULD HAVE MOVED. it literally says “no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.”

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

He was in so much danger and so injured that he *checks notes* Shot three times and ran to his getaway vehicle?

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Anonymous localwendigo 4w

you say we’re not the ones getting it while you actively defend the UNLAWFUL use of deadly force to justify the MURDER of an innocent woman.

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