
also it absolutely was a straw man, why the fuck did you bring up Muslim people when the topic is on christians advocating to force their religion onto others via embedding it into the constitution? Attempting to engage in propagandized fearmongering rooted in Islamophobia and xenophobia only works when you’re talking with someone who actually shares your prejudiced beliefs towards others.
you instantly switched the topic to avoid discussing the one actually at hand, then engaged in ad hominem when you didn’t get the answer you were looking for. and you, as well as the OOP that was quoted, are Christian nationalists. otherwise, what is your intention by attempting to come to the defense of OOP?
1st, you wrongfully generalized the entirety of Islam, 2nd, you weren’t merely “seeing if their position was consistent” as you immediately engaged in ad hom the second OP displayed that their position indeed was consistent. 3rd, you had no reason to bring up Muslim people aside from your attempts to redirect the conversation, which we’ve already established were disingenuous as you did not actually recognize that OP is consistent, and instead tried to disparage them.
it seems like you’re just sitting here projecting your own guilt. you saw someone rightfully criticizing something you believe in, and you attempting to come at them with a strawmen argument; and attacked them once you received a response you didn’t like. furthermore, you’re maliciously attempting to dismiss the inherently violent nature of Christian nationalism and the attempts to forcibly legislate religion, both historically and presently; which is the entire topic of discussion.
What generalization was made? I did actually recognize that they are consistent, as in that they are consistently stupid. Because calling for violence on an opinion that doesn’t incite violence is stupid Just like saying if a muslim were to say the same thing, calling for violence against then is stupid
I’m discrediting your point via addressing them and dismantling them, pointing out your behavior through the conversation. I’m calling you a Christian nationalist for the same reason: your behavior. did you or did you not choose to come to the defense of the quoted OP (OOP) upon being criticized for advocating that the constitution should be amended to enforce Christianity? an inherently Christian nationalist position.
because you’re advocating for violence against others, regardless of whether you’re willing to recognize it. this is a secular nation, and Christianity has caused countless deaths throughout its existence (as has every religion). What do you think happens to everyone who doesn’t believe in Christianity, upon it hypothetically becoming a national religion? what do you think happens to everyone within the lgbtqia+ community? What do you think happens to the women in our lives?
you vilifying Muslim people is not only islamophobic, it’s stupid as fuck. no one is advocating for Islam to be a constitutional religion in the United States. people like YOU however, are attempting to force Christianity upon all of us, despite our repeated refusal. ADDITIONALLY, you don’t even read your own fucking Bible. you’re out here proselytizing like a moron.
equating Muslim people to your Christian nationalism is the vilification. not all followers of Islam ascribe to the belief that it needs to be systemically enforced. you’re attempting to equate all follows of Islam with zealous nationalists, such as yourself in terms of Christianity.
we’ve had conversations before, and you do this exact same thing every single time you’re too deep to defend yourself. are you afraid to address what happens to everyone who disagrees with your religion once it’s systemically enforced? are you afraid to acknowledge how your beliefs are inherently violent? are you afraid to acknowledge how you are directly going against the teachings of Christ?
it doesn’t matter whether you actually are or not, what matters is what you’re defending (and it would be odd to run to the defense of Christian nationalism if you weren’t a Christian, unless of course you’re being paid to do so) and no, I specifically discussed certain demographics and the impact on them. don’t be disingenuous, address my comment directly. what happens to non-believers when Christianity is state-enforced? what happens to us gay people, and the entire lgbtqia+ community?
Okay fine, if you insist you can have a nuance conversation Christ teaches “ love your neighbor as yourself” “ do onto others as you would like done onto you” and to care for the poor, sick and hungry. HYPOTHETICALLY if I wanted those brought into the constitution, what violence is being done and who exactly is harmed
but would your proposal be limited to the line of “love thy neighbor as you love thyself”? this is why I say you’re disingenuous, and malicious, because you’re cherry picking a single line from the entirety of the Bible, in order to avoid discussing the topic of systemic discrimination and oppression (which has already been documented in relation to Christianity, on top of the existing systemic oppression that exists within this country) is it that you just don’t care bc it wont affect you?
yet, the church has historically launched mass campaigns on killing non-believers who refuse to convert. and the topic of us queer folk? Or women? there’s a difference between being a christian who believes in god and has faith in their beliefs, and attempting to systemically enforce said beliefs onto everyone else.
“should not be understood to minimize the extent of the risks associated with Christian nationalism” no, you and your beliefs are immensely dangerous and violent; and if god is up there watching us, they’re going to condemn you for weaponizing their name and image in your own twisted favor.
The teachings of Christ, and the historic teachings of the church are very different. So that would explain that Christ didn’t condone violence towards women, you’re referencing christianity as if you are knowledgeable so I assume you know the story behind casting the first stone and the samaritan woman at the well
Jesus also teaches to love thy neighbor, and that the meek will inherit the earth surely we can’t forget about Matthews 6-5:6 either, to pray in the privacy of your own home rather than proselytizing in the street corners or synagogues. you twist the teachings of Christ for your own favor. you do not need Christ embedded in the constitution to be a good Christian, or to faithfully follow your beliefs.
all you said earlier was “love thy neighbor…”, not the other two; Jesus also taught that lying is a sin, which apparently you don’t care too much about that part. that’s why I asked if it was actually about amending the constitution to include new *religiously-inspired* lines, rather than including Christ themself, but you doubled down. I already tried to give you the out you’re trying to invoke, and you refused to accept it.
so, I’ll ask once again: is it that you merely want to add a small set of lines to the constitution that is inspired by your faith, such as “take care of the poor and hungry”, “treat others how you want to be treated”, “love your neighbor”; or do you want to add lines that include the concept and persona of “Christ” themself within the constitution?
actually I’ll give you that, and apologize, as I didn’t recognize the last lines of that statement in your earlier comment; I originally thought it was only about love thy neighbor (which is why I didn’t mention the other two in my response) - that’s on me. that being said, it’s interesting that you left out the response in which I mentioned systemic discrimination and oppression.
in all honesty this conversation has gone on for far too long, and I’m going to go run some errands. I’ll be back later to respond to any additional comments, but I’m just going to leave you with this earlier comment of mine; specifically its final portion. individual faith = beautiful and amazing; systemically enforced religion = oppressive and bad.
you’ll receive the exact same answer you’ve been getting this entire time, and at this rate you won’t be receiving any more. the only reason this conversation has continued this long, was to deconstruct your beliefs in a semi-public forum for others to see; hence why I thanked you earlier.
I have literally given you two examples with women, I’m not sure why you ignore that I said the teachings of Christ and the teachings of the church are very different. Jesus himself did not mention the LGBT community, so I’d probably say to defer with what he was saying about other things related to sex. Where he was against the stoning of the woman who committed adultery (which was common practice at the time) and not treating the prostitute as an outcast.
Well you obviously you can’t physically attack a belief, but you can physically attack a person, that’s why I asked for clarification on what you meant by attack because the post implied person but you responded “yes, the belief” Pretty reasonable confusion I’m not sure what you’re looking for here
Oh I get it, it’s perfectly normal for you to avoid things that offend you. I asked 2, you chose to answer 1, if I knew counting was that hard for you I would’ve used smaller words and typed shorter responses to accommodate. I’ll try that here: Not an answer. Try again, you moron.
Also not an answer. Try again, you moron. I’m keeping the responses short to accommodate your low intelligence. Thanks btw for doing exactly what I want with spending multiple minutes of your life that you can never get back by typing out comments crying that I’m not engaging in your delusion fast enough. Seriously keep it up lolol
Not an answer. Try again you moron. There’s the comments crying about me not engaging in your delusions fast enough! I really do like the idea that you’re wasting time you can never get back doing that It’s really simple, you answer everything I asked then I answer you. I’m content wasting your life doing this because ultimately you’re doing what I want anyways lmao Hurry now, moron.
Not an answer, try again moron You’re going to cave before I will lol. I’m getting what I want regardless. You not answering wastes your time which makes me content and you answering forces you to confront your idiocy. Either way I’m happy lol. Go ahead and type your hurry ups and I’m waiting’s. I wonder which one you’ll pick lmao