Anonymous #6 7w

Slave cuck slave cuck slave cuck!!!

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Anonymous #6 7w

He was an insurrectionist. His methods were completely justified and the government had an obligation to take his side or dissolve itself for illegitimacy. You can say one correct thing and still be a slaver-sympathizing fuckwit with the rest of your breath.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 7w

You can't use violence to advocate for social change. You have the political process for that. Any citizen who uses violence has violated the social contract and is an enemy of the community. In fact, this is what the south did..

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Anonymous #6 7w

Beat every slave master to death with a hammer

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Anonymous #6 7w

“You can’t use violence to advocate for social change”🤓 Fuck you, catch me missing that. The defining trait of all governance is violence; your so-called “political process” is nothing more than violence preceded by paper shuffling.

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Anonymous #6 7w

You absolutely can, though. Yes, it is extreme and should generally be a last resort, but what happens when the last resort is the only resort? In the end, violence was still how things were settled with slavery via the civil war, it was inevitable. Attempting to compromise with slave states and their wretched practices failed completely. Violence may not always be the answer, but that doesn’t mean it’s never the answer. It depends, and people like you who hesitate only makes things harder.

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Anonymous #6 7w

It’s obvious how you feel about slavery but you can’t say it out loud so you say this instead to appear reasonable and feel obligated to lash out at us for calling out your bullshit. These were literal fucking slaves, i actually cant believe you want to see a moral middle ground for this. If you feel that neutral towards slavery, you are clearly pro slavery and racist, you just don’t realize it.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 7w

Yeah, if anything the existence of slavery meant that violence was already happening, what with how brutal and unfair slavery was. They were never goi g to budge lest we showed force, so why bother? Not all change can happen peacefully, I am afraid. And we will likely have to use violence again in the future, and be ready for it in order to stop the modern day far right. Cowardly morons like 6 will do nothing while we struggle, yet they pretend their cowardice is them being reasonable.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 7w

Yes. The state has a monopoly on the use of violence. Individuals give up the right to use violence in civil society. The state is legitimate because of the consent of the governed. We deliberate and decide collectively what to do.

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Anonymous #5 7w

I'm saying that it is politically problematic for an individual to take up arms against the state because of his personal moral convictions and it's easy to look back from the 21st century and say look how evil slavery was. The north wasn't even fighting against slavery. They were fighting to preserve the union. If I have view that animal agriculture is horrific and evil, should I pick up a gun and take over an armory and try to stage a revolt? Maybe in a few centuries we look back and see the

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Anonymous #5 7w

way we treat animals as evil.

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Anonymous #5 7w

Maybe you live in some cartoonish superhero world superhero world of obvious good vs evil but we also live in a society that has to keep peace and order and do things in an organized way. You can assess Brown as morally righteous but it's also a problem to let individuals commit violence and take justice into their own hands.

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Anonymous #6 7w

The same could have been said about the American revolutionaries. At the time, the British saw them as idiot criminals. Nowadays, they’re praised as heroes who stood up against a giant empire. Like I said, violence should only be a last resort, but that doesn’t mean it should never be a choice, because in extreme cases, it is the only true choice: the one that will make a difference.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Look it doesn’t matter, you aren’t gonna convince me or anyone else here, nor will you convince a lot of other people who also hate this government and would be okay with change through violence, and that’s okay :)! It’s good that you morons wont get to have a say, so thank tou for failing to convince us and i hope you stop being so useless some day :)

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Anonymous #6 7w

Individuals do not “give up” the right to use violence, it is TAKEN from them by a superior power. The state does not govern by consent, its entire function is to VIOLATE the consent of the governed. At the absolute most charitable interpretation, the state governs under advisement from the governed, because it promotes stability to pretend like the people have a hand at the wheel. This is an incredibly naive view of the world you have, and it’s allowing you to justify terrible neglect.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 7w

It brings me happiness knowing that people like you are the greater majority, and that those who don’t want violence get fucking crushed by a string of comments. Thanks.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 7w

Of course the state governs by consent in a democracy. That's what voting and political participation are about. And there is the concept of tacit consent, that by simply living here you implicitly understand the deal,and agree to,obey the community's laws. What you are preaching is some kind of anarchism.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I am not preaching anarchism, because I have not suggested that we should get rid of the state — it’s curious that you jump there, and I’m inclined to agree.😉 Sometimes violence is justified, sometimes consent should be violated. If someone wants to make the case that the government should still exist so be it, but we should be honest about WHAT it is.

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Anonymous #6 7w

You are so uncreative and simple minded it’s scary that we must deal with people like you. What happens when democracy fails or is corrupted, or negotiations fall apart? You are missing the point of what we are trying to tell you, but noooo, instead you just wanna say “durrr, we live in a democracy so everything will be fine.” The world is never that simple, but your mind clearly is

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