Anonymous #1 7w

Me tying people to the tracks and making them confess a belief in….because they have free will? I’m sure that argument will hold up well in court

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Anonymous #3 7w

It won’t

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Anonymous #1 7w

Yeah because it’s a silly argument lol. The question was why is God doing this in the first place

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Anonymous #4 7w

What aspect of the meme is the strawman?

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Anonymous #3 7w

That my friend is a good question. I doubt you’ll get a good answer since we’ve been asking variations of this and “why are we here” for at least 10,000 years

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Anonymous #2 7w

That’s assuming that the Earth has been around for 10,000 years

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Anonymous #2 7w

To date I’ve yet to get a good answer because they always circle back to those same points over and over when confronted with a question they can’t answer

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Anonymous #3 7w

You (God) made the people and the tracks but people began wandering into the track and milling around. You know a train is coming but they can’t see it. You could move them by force, but that would upset them since they won’t know why. So you warn them a train is coming and they should move, and it’s up to them to listen

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Anonymous #3 7w

That God placed the trolly

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Anonymous #2 7w

You also … could just not have made the train in the first place Or just stop the train?

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Anonymous #1 7w

I doubt cavemen were wondering about their place in the universe upon the emergence of man 600,000 years ago

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Anonymous #4 7w

God made the apple didn’t he

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Anonymous #4 7w

God created the people that would place the trolley there, knowing full well that they would because he literally created them in a way where he knew they’d act a certain way

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Anonymous #1 7w

Say the train is a metaphor for bad things happening. IRL, there isn’t just one train but a billion. Our trains are often nature doing things we don’t like. Earthquakes, disease, and so forth arent inherently evil. Often, they’re a byproduct of the conductions our planet needed to survive. Thus, the universe needs its trains so that it, and life, can thrive.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Leading questions But if I accept them anyways, that still makes the post a strawman

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Anonymous #2 7w

I mean every modern human culture has their own myths and stories so I think it dates back at least to the origin of Homo sapiens if not farther

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Anonymous #5 7w

That requires the existence of culture in the first place. In caveman times we weren’t quite at that point yet

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Anonymous #2 7w

Bro what? Cavemen were just us. They weren’t brutish primitives. Several modern human populations had already diverged from one another 150,000 years ago. Even the Neanderthals, who weren’t our species, created art.

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Anonymous #5 7w

Earlier homo species may not have had myths, but ancient Homo sapiens undoubtedly did. You can’t look at something like this and say they didn’t have culture.

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Anonymous #5 7w

I specified I was discussing the earliest form of man (I said 600,000 years but it’s closer to 300,000 sorry).

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Anonymous #2 7w

Or maybe, they are natural occurrences to be expected in a material universe devoid of god, and unexpected if there is an all powerful, knowing, and good god.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Is this like a spinozas god concept or what?

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Anonymous #2 7w

And God, creator of all, didn’t create disease or earthquakes? Because if he didn’t then that would mean he’s not the creator of all

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Anonymous #2 7w

“But the people began wondering into the track” and who made the people that way? Who made people inclined towards sin?

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Anonymous #4 7w

I didn’t make this meme

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Anonymous #1 7w

LMAO

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Anonymous #7 7w

See that’s the big question. The fun part is you can’t really know either way since we don’t understand the universe and God by definition would be incomprehensible. It’s kind of a meaningless conversation since it never goes anywhere, but personally I believe in God.

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Anonymous #3 7w

I never made any claims about what God did or did not create. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

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Anonymous #4 7w

you said "leading questions" to #6... who didn't ask a question. dumdum

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Anonymous #3 7w

God creating humans with the ability to sin doesn’t make him the cause of sin any more than the inventor of the car is responsible for every crash. Morality, love, and compassion all require freedom, with freedom requiring the possibility of choosing wrong. The potential for sin is a byproduct of free will, not evidence that God is its cause. What we’re left wondering is if a world with freedom is better than a world without choice.

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Anonymous #5 7w

Do you think when god says “thank god” he says “thank me” so if he was having an apple he’d say “thank me for making the apple”?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Is God not the creator of all?

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Anonymous #2 7w

If we want to use the car analogy, then blaming it on individual operation doesn’t work. Humans are inherently sinful because that’s how God made humans. A more accurate analogy would be this is a car that needs to be recalled, because fresh from the factory it had a design that led it to fail

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Anonymous #3 7w

You’re conflating the capacity to do wrong with a defect that requires one to act wrongly. A being with freedom can decide to do either good or evil. It choosing evil doesn’t mean it was a defective, rather that it was designed to choose, and a byproduct of choice is evil.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Considering your critique of my analogy, it sounds like you’re arguing any being capable of sin or evil indicates defectiveness and those beings “need to be recalled”. But evil is a consequence of the ability to choose. By your logic, any being capable of choice, and thus sin, is somehow defective and must be fixed. That seems to redefine freedom itself as a flaw.

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Anonymous #7 7w

Yo there can be divinity in a material universe without monotheistic “god” being centralized, detached, omniscient and omnipotent metaphysical entity. God can be understood as the quantum field from which consciousness emerges, but it’s ultimately irrational and is inherently subject to belief, so this is really not a problem with the concept of a source of creation, but rather a problem with orthodox monotheism.

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Anonymous #9 7w

I don’t understand

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Anonymous OP 7w

i think they're high lol

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