Anonymous #1 22w

Dude there’s so many conspiracy posts here. Anti-Zionism isn’t antisemitism but holy shit there’s a lot of regular old antisemitism here.

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Anonymous #3 22w

I could just be obtuse then

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Anonymous #1 22w

Like the conspiracy theories are going wild( esp the old tale that Jewish people are trying to take over the world and government ). And it’s much more normalized now to literally make fun of Jews with stereotypes and names

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Anonymous #1 22w

I had students say these this past year : 1. I can spot a Jew a mile away 2. Did you know how many Jews are in our government and Hollywood, it needs to be stopped 3. You like a dirty Jew

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Anonymous OP 22w

I mean it may be that I switched from consuming primarily conservative media to primarily centrist/liberal media, but compared to 10 years ago I am seeing less. Not that it’s a definitive case just bc that’s what I’ve noticed tho, so I do get that. And we should condemn every case of it here. I do think there is a fine line tho. Like I’d buy that the Zionists have the intent for a greater Israel. I don’t buy that the Jewish religion inherently makes people want that

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Anonymous #1 22w

I will be honest I find it unfair to classify all Israelis as evil Zionist, in this day and age- many Israelis have been born there and Israel is their home to them. So I get annoyed when people condemn Israelis rather than Zionists

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Anonymous OP 22w

No it absolutely is unfair to classify all Israelis as that you’re right. But, the group that could be considered Zionist by a majority consensus have immense political power in Israel now. Netanyahu is actively placating them. It’s like you have the maga that’s convinced Trump is trying to save America and everyone is working against him, and you have those aware of his power grabs and rights abuses but still support that. Two very different types of people yk?

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Anonymous OP 22w

And yeah perhaps I don’t see it as often because I actively make that distinction whereas I’m improperly assuming others do too

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Anonymous #1 22w

Yes totally agree

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Anonymous #1 22w

I guess its just who we interact with everyday, I work with high schoolers so I see a lot .

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Anonymous OP 22w

I appreciate the discussion brother 🤝

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Anonymous #1 22w

#1 if you’re participating in Israeli politics you are by definition a Zionist because Zionism is just believing a Jewish majority state should exist in some capacity in the ancestral homeland of the Jews.

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Anonymous #5 22w

There are anti-Zionists involved in Israeli politics. A lot of Israeli communists were historically anti-Zionist. Both jews and Arabs participated in the original Maki party. Most Haredim (ultra-orthodox) in Israel also consider themselves non-Zionist. It’s just that outside of the Arab political parties, anti-Zionism is not a politically influential idea within Israel.

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Anonymous #3 22w

So like essentially anti-Zionists are politically active in Israel, they just are not a dominant force.

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Anonymous #5 22w

What?

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Anonymous #5 22w

This is a really reductive and counterproductive view because actually concretely forwarding antizionism beyond just saying things requires engaging in Israeli politics.

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Anonymous #3 21w

If they’re antizionist they would give their home up for an Arab and fuck off

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Anonymous #5 21w

If you are an American against manifest destiny, are you giving your home to a Native American? We can at least be practical about people being born somewhere even if they don’t support how it happened.

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Anonymous #3 21w

Most people are. Condemnation and reparations are part of the actions that would seem practical in the modern era. I’m not convinced a sizable proportion of the population wants to remove the nation and forcibly emigrate to Europe

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Anonymous #1 21w

Yeah. And part of the reality is also that many Israelis didn’t come from Europe and don’t have somewhere else to go to. It’s easy to say the Ashkenazim who founded Israel can just go back to their country of origin (though I would argue Russia isn’t exactly a safe place to go back to either.) But the Israeli far right is disproportionately Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews who were expelled from Arab nations after Israel’s founding, which caused them to be radicalized.

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Anonymous #3 21w

They should be giving their homes up, yes. There is a lawyer who just served Billie Eilish an eviction notice from her mansion on behalf of the Tongva tribe on whose land she admitted she lives on even though it was stolen.

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Anonymous #3 21w

I also don’t think the Ashkenazim can go back to their countries of origin. Look at how they have been treating the other migrants from the Middle East.

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Anonymous #5 21w

Ignore Billy eilish. What about you? You are in the same spot as Israelis. You presumably also live on stolen land. Do you expect Israelis to take steps that you do not yourself?

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Anonymous #5 21w

So where are the Ashkenazim supposed to go? If they cant go back to Europe, they presumably only leaves the Americas and Australia, which are also settler colonies.

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Anonymous #3 21w

No I don’t expect them to leave because not only is it their ancestral homeland, it’s been 80 years. Basically no one is alive from when it was founded and almost every Israeli was born there

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Anonymous #3 21w

And my point is that the Ashkenazi can’t leave Israel because they have nowhere to go and thus Gaza and WB need to get over it

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