Anonymous #1 2w

I am not okay with facists, but if you label him as one and then use that as justification for the bad means you use to get rid of him then it becomes way too easy to just do it to all your opponents and then we get a single party system and end up with a different authoritarian regime

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Anonymous #2 2w

There are limits to gerrymandering that they allowed, but just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should, and we should play by the rules, because the enemy won’t, you are no better than him if you use illegal, unjust, or authoritarian means to remove him

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Anonymous OP 2w

So you think the enemy should win?

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Anonymous OP 2w

You honestly just sound like a pedo protector right now. We’re not “labeling” Trump as a fascist we are pointing out the obvious fact that he is a fascist. We are plenty justified in this

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Anonymous #3 2w

I disagree, we are here now because we haven’t been following the rules Democrats have rigged several primaries, therefore skirting the rules Both sides are gerrymandering, and we are making political appointees to the Supreme Court instead of the best qualified

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Anonymous #2 2w

No… literally never said that… You just have to beat them by being better than them, which dems have struggled to prove they are is the issue (Even tho I think they are better, much of the country doesn’t see that)

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Anonymous OP 2w

Who is we? Look at the republican nominees for the Supreme Court and compare them to the democrat nominees lol. Also yeah those primaries were rigged but they were rigged by the people in charge thinking we always have to play it safe. If they were willing to take risks this wouldn’t be a problem

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Anonymous #1 2w

The ad hominem attack there was unnecessary At no point was I trying to defend trump, or pedophelia. Calling him a facist isn’t the issue, cause you’re correct he is, you then need to remove him with the proper channels

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Anonymous #4 2w

The problem with ceasing control, is that it’s very hard to go back to democracy and the law afterwards because some new figure arises to fill the power vacuum and becomes just as bad (Caesar replacing Pompey for example)

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Anonymous OP 2w

If you don’t take the necessary actions then you’re protecting him and everything he stands for

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Anonymous OP 2w

I do want trump gone tho, just to make that very clear

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Anonymous OP 2w

I totally agree

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Anonymous #1 2w

The necessary actions is following the rules, I also think that the lack of adherence to the rules is why we got here The insider trading, corruption, quid pro quo, etc. in Washington has made many people turn to trump and however misguided that is, we have to see why we got there

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Anonymous OP 2w

Following the rules is what got us here in the first place

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Anonymous #3 2w

Although republican appointments to the SC were less qualified the dem nominees were still way too political My personal opinion is that Sotamator is the only one that really deserves/should there And the reasons they rigged the primaries doesn’t matter, people see it as corrupt, and they should

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Anonymous #3 2w

Also democrats are the only ones who have supported gerrymandering bans

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Anonymous #3 2w

Op is obviously not saying that. He’s made it overtly clear he doesn’t like republicans. Please engage w him instead of just deflecting

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Anonymous #1 2w

I disagree w that specifically

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Anonymous #3 2w

That’s great, but that doesn’t justify their appointments. They were voting for gerrymandering bans because it help their party and politics, not because they actually think it’s bad. I just think the SC nominations have become far too political

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Anonymous #4 2w

Thank you

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Anonymous OP 2w

Specifically tell me how the democratic nominees are political? KBJ is perfectly qualified for a Supreme Court justice, so is Kagan and Sotomayor.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I just can’t stand when people refuse to engage w people at a discussion level We could actually have a productive conversation that would bring more awareness for all of us

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Anonymous #1 2w

I disagree entirely, go look at my other comments here. The lack of following the rules is why we are here Democrats are too corrupt and not delivering enough change and that’s why people turned to Trump

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Anonymous #4 2w

No one engaged you in our convo lol

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Anonymous #3 2w

Obviously, as a bystander, I’m saying you were being disingenuous. I don’t need your permission to tell you to act like a decent human being

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Anonymous #3 2w

Also a Supreme Court justice is inherently political in nature. It’s a position in the government they are gonna be political

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Anonymous #4 2w

How is any part of my convo disingenuous?

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Anonymous #3 2w

Op has made it clear multiple times he doesn’t fw republicans and is not making excuses

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Anonymous #4 2w

Their post is making excuses for democrats to not do anything against republicans because of the “rules”

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Anonymous #3 2w

They were nominated for their political beliefs not their qualifications. They were decently qualified sure but it’s not what the president is supposed to do

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Anonymous #3 2w

No it isn’t?? Like at fucking all??? He’s literally telling democrats to grow a backbone???? Are you reading his comments to have a discussion or just to argue???

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Anonymous #4 2w

No he’s not lol. And if he is he’s doing a shitty job at it

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Anonymous #3 2w

They aren’t tho, the setup and idea is meant to be a political, hence why they serve for life

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Anonymous OP 2w

Again you can’t name specifics of anything lol

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Anonymous OP 2w

Yeah they shouldn’t serve for life

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Anonymous #4 2w

This is directed at #3

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Anonymous #4 2w

Respond to my comment like a big boy then lol

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Anonymous #3 2w

You realize you can’t…..right??

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Anonymous #3 2w

Scroll to the bottom to see the screenshot. U can’t post screenshots in threads

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Anonymous #4 2w

This is precisely correct Democrats need to stop being corrupt and stop doing everything just to “hold on to power” and actually deliver on any of their core values

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Anonymous OP 2w

My local Democratic Party said “we need to ignore the issues and get votes”

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Anonymous #3 2w

I’m not going to write a dissertation on their voting records. You know they are and are just trying to do a gotcha. They are political and if you think otherwise then the dems have truly brainwashed you like the republicans have to so many

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Anonymous OP 2w

Yeah you don’t do that by following the “rules” tho. You have to actually fight what’s happening

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Anonymous OP 2w

Now you’re doing it. Both of yall need to act like adults

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Anonymous #3 2w

What’s happening is a result of not following the rules tho

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Anonymous OP 2w

That’s precisely where we disagree lol. Democrats have been to busy following the “rules” and protecting the status quo they don’t actually take risks and try to get shit done.

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Anonymous #3 2w

What are the rules they are following to strictly though? Gerrymandering seems to be a point. Anything else?

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Anonymous #4 2w

Filibuster is a major example

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Anonymous #3 2w

Mind expanding?

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Anonymous #4 2w

If they would have got rid of the filibuster during Biden’s term and actually passed the stuff he ran on maybe he would have actually been a popular president

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Anonymous #4 2w

Lmao why tf would someone downvote a clarifying question 💀

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Anonymous #3 2w

So, republicans actually had the opportunity to do that with the shutdown Both parties tend to agree the negative there outweigh the positive So I’m not really seeing how that’s an example of democrats being too ridged to the rules

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Anonymous #4 2w

Someone is triggered they have to have evidence instead of blindly bitching 💀

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Anonymous #4 2w

Literally nobody knows if the negatives outweigh the benefits bc it never happened so maybe just maybe they should actually push for reforms instead of just sitting by while the country falls in to fascism

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Anonymous #3 2w

I kinda disagree w that. It’s kinda Op’s entire point. When you remove safeguards, once the party fails. Which they will. No one is perfect forever always. The other side can take power and be just as conniving I absolutely agree they need to grow a backbone for the 4th time in this thread

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Anonymous #4 2w

All we are doing is disagreeing on semantics lol.

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Anonymous #3 2w

What definition are we arguing over?

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Anonymous #4 2w

We both agree on them growing a backbone just disagree on why it’s happening. Ultimately it doesn’t matter and I don’t feel like arguing anymore lol

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Anonymous #3 2w

Oh that man, I agree, I think we all agree to that. That’s why I was so insistent on having a discussion instead of an argument. I don’t want to argue at all. I want to have a productive conversation

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Anonymous og_beer 2w

I hope you agree that breaking the rules is not the answer

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Anonymous OP 2w

Not necessarily that breaking rules isn’t an answer, but more so the second you allow for the rules to be broken in your favor it paves the way to be broken against you. This will only empower future conservative leaders to do the same exact thing, and anger constituents into pushing for a harsher retaliation

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