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The government

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Anonymous #3 7w

You’re not the op.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Can I not talk? Eat shit

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Anonymous #2 7w

Depending on how op answers, you should then ask them if they hold other countries to the same standard as Israel, meaning that they spend as much time criticizing said country online as they do Israel.

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Anonymous #3 7w

A and b conversation… C your way out. Jk Bro I was just being cheeky. Lol

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You should also ask them if they bring up a conflict between two countries on a post that has nothing to do with the conflict. You should also ask them if they also boycott products from other countries that are doing bad things as much as they boycott Israeli products. Finally, you should ask them if they would criticize a celebrity for giving birth at a hospital founded by a citizen of that country (it wasn’t even an Israeli hospital, it was a Jewish hospital that serves the entire community)

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Anonymous #4 7w

Except Israel is not a religious theocracy

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Congratulations you hate the government, you can join the huge number of Israelis who voice their concerns, oppositions and political voice freely. Welcome to a nation with democratic principles. Do you see the same thing happening in the Palestinian territory? When’s the last time either Gaza or the WB held an election? What is the % of support that Hamas has in either territory?

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and I would also ask to the people who want Israel to magically cease existence (expected of no other country), what would the difference be between the structure of Israel’s current gov and this magical hypothetical one. If they want to replace it with a “Palestinian state,” they will get an actual ethnostate governed by religious law, which would immediately hunt down and persecute all the lgbtq, jews, druze, and other groups that take refuge in Israel.

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Whataboutism 🤡

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Anonymous #7 7w

Comparisons put things into perspective. They highlight hypocrisy.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Nice try. But this is not a comparison. They’re just bringing up irrelevant information to try and dismiss people criticism as disingenuous. Don’t be dumb.

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Anonymous #7 7w

The points are legitimate and expose glaring hypocrisy and underlying Jew hate

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Anonymous #2 7w

Classic non-argument from a non-thinker

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Anonymous #7 7w

What a bullshit ad-hom

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Anonymous #6 7w

Not the same, not even close.

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Anonymous #2 7w

I thought you were asking all of us, and his input is still worthwhile so you don’t need to be rude

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Anonymous #4 7w

Yeah wait to learn about Christianity and the US

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Anonymous #2 7w

lowk bars i might need to steal that for later

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Anonymous #1 7w

Notice how the OP just dissapeared?

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I don’t think you even know what theocracy is. Theocracies do not force a certain religion down everyone’s throat. For example Iran has a sizable Jewish population and they are free to practice their religion. What theocracy does is use religions text to make laws vs. human text like the constitution. And more often gives more freedom. If you kill in Iran, the family of the victim decides what happens to you: sentence you to death, demand blood money or forgive and forget.

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Anonymous #11 7w

Wait till you hear that “Palestine” is a Islamic theocracy

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There is no genocide to recognize occurring.

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There are groups in the region that want to eradicate a population though, they’re called Hamas, Hezbollah and their civilian supporters.

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Appealed to authority fallacy is so egregiously apparent, especially when that body has been incredibly biased and uses biased sources and terrible methodology

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I present you, the children of Gaza.

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Anonymous #11 7w

What does the religion have to do with not wanting a nation of people who is soul aim in life is the genocide of Jews?

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Anonymous #8 7w

Yes it is, so you hate the place the people are from but not the people? Thats so odd. Like Israel isn’t an entity broski, it’s a place.

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Anonymous #6 7w

entity/ˈen(t)ədē/An entity is something that has a distinct, independent existence, whether it is physical or abstract. Israel as a nation, with a functional independent government, currency, military, social programs, borders, etc etc quite literally satisfies the definition of “entity” you weapons grade donut.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Don’t do drugs, kids.

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Heads of state communications are documented. There is no evidence of the conversation between the president of the uae and Netanyahu. It’s just claimed. Additionally, the veracity or vagueness of the intelligence can lead to certain decisions. We have the “benefit” of hindsight. Same thing with 9/11, same thing with Pearl Harbor etc. it’s not that simple.

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Instagram and haaretz as a source💀

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There’s no evidence of genocide. Never before had a country invested so heavily in lifesaving measures for civilians.

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There couldn’t be any reasons for children being “overrepresented” in the death toll… like maybe the fact that HALF of Gaza’s pop are under 18, or the very extensively documented use of child soldiers by Hamas. Something else you should keep in mind is that the death toll represents deaths, NOT who fired the shot. Once again, Hamas has a well-documented history of brutally killing Gazans. Currently, they even hikack aid trucks.

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There’s too much “both sides-ing” and too much railing against Israel and being silent on Hamas. Or the Palestinian’s part in the conflict…

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Anonymous #5 7w

Sources are Israel outlets if you can read

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Anonymous #11 7w

I’m well aware that haaretz is Israeli. And it is a shit source promoting a conspiracy theory. Saudi Arabia already confirmed that no communication occurred, and that if there had been, it would not have been directly with the PM.

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Yeah please don’t go bald, you’re actually funny.

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I don’t give a flying fuck what the UN says, stop appealing to authority and form your own damn opinion. Francesca Albanese is also nuts and said that the West is oppressed by the Jewish lobby. You can find any “expert” to make any claim. If you want, I can go through hers and refute those, but I’d rather you actually made your own.

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Shitty false equivalency. I have nothing against Palestinians, and believe that the IDF has taken numerous measures to ensure their wellbeing, as it should. Like I said, make an actual argument and back it up instead of deferring to Francesca Albanese to make it for you and using smears.

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It’s urban warfare genius. “There is rubble in urban warfare therefore genocide” makes no sense unless there’s a separate crime called concretecide. Actually, the amount of destruction without a corresponding loss of life should say something in and of itself about the success of evacuation efforts. You also obviously won’t feel the need to point out how the building destruction rate is a direct consequence of Hamas boobytrapping+ building military infrastructure underneath entire neighborboods

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But hey let’s talk about what Israel has done. They’ve facilitated mass polio vaccinations for Gazan children, have an entire intelligence unit that has sent millions of texts, calls, and voicemails to Gazans to give advance warning of strikes (a massive commitment of resources that no other country has ever undertaken during war). They also drop leaflets with evacuation maps to humanitarian safe zones they designated and units have drones with loudspeakers to give warning. I ran out of space.

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Of course this definition is acceptable to me, it’s disingenuous for you to imply that it isn’t. And let me focus you on the intent, which is the foundation that determines genocide. Based on the many efforts I highlighted just below this (we commented at about the same time), and many more that I didn’t have space to list, I believe there is no intent. Israel has clearly acted with the opposite, a strong intent to preserve civilian life.

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Already said I don’t support that. Like talking to a fucking brick wall, but the brick wall might be smarter.

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Ever heard of the strawman fallacy though? I’d check it out, you combine it pretty well with the ad homs to avoid the fact thst your arguments are getting smoked.

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It means everything. We literally have an identical moral code and dispute whether something is fact. Someone who supports genocide does NOT share that moral code. I’m proving to you that it isn’t and you are too stuck in a fucking echo chamber to even know how to respond. You STILL haven’t actually managed to dispute a single point and won’t engage because your echo chamber depends on it, and your viewpoint collapses if you do. It’s pathetic.

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You debate like a toddler screaming “NO IT IS NO IT IS NO IT IS” in response to any point trying to drown out everything else.

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And you use your ad hom and strawman as fillers for your argument to discredit me ad your opponent. Instead of responding to me point by point, you paint a caricature of me and use that as the reason that you won’t engage, winning the argument in your head by the virtue of being the only person worthy of making one.

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You have not made a single argument thus yet other than rubble=genocide. I already explained the difference between supporting genocide, which actually entails a difference of underlying morals, and disagreeing on whether a statement is fact, which isn’t reflective of any moral difference, yet you paint yourself as morally superior.

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I didn’t even see that argument the thread is so clogged let me find it rq

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You aren’t distinguishing between urban warfare and genocide or accounting for the why. Hamas has routinely used hospitals for operations. A hospital, house, school, etc loses protected status when illegally used for warfare. In recent examples of urban warfare in general, most hospitals have been destroyed or severely damaged, so again, I refer you back to my argument that the level of destruction is a result of urban warfare where entrenched terrorists embed themselves in civ infrastructure.

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That absolutely changes it… your argument makes zero sense. I think Israel does everything it possibly can to protect civilians. You don’t. Your argument is that I subconsciously support genocide??? Makes no sense.

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I responded to a different one… like I said, the thread is fucked

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Aid levels are so high that current hunger rates in Gaza are LOWER than prewar and many wealthy Western countries to boot. I think it would be great if we could try to also bring in more nutritious food but I’m not sure how feasible that is (stunting is up because eating MREs for years is very unhealthy).

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wait what is this a response to i genuinely cant tell cus this app sucks ass

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To start, the Nazi party was inherently antisemitic, and the people who supported it to any degree were Jew haters. I bear no hatred for the Palestinian people and wish them the best. You can’t just use a comparison to Naziism anywhere.

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idk if u want but im down to debate in dms if they work better i havent tried them out here yet

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They planted explosives in a HEZBOLLAH pager shipment, which was also in Lebanon not Gaza… They have targeted “journalists” that were later posted on Hamas PLFP and PIJ pages with their aks and headbands. There is no evidence of white phosphorus use as a weapon. It is used as a designator, that shouldn’t be conflated. If you are referring to the incident where two trucks were mistakenly targeted, an independent Australian inquiry came to the exact same conclusions as an Israeli one.

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Already addressed that famine claim.

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So as the war got less hot, food availability improved. Maybe this has something to do with the fact that distributing aid in an active warzone is incredibly difficult, not to mention dangerous for the civilians delivering it. Also keep in mind that many of those articles headline with figures for Northern Gaza, the hottest conflict zone, which was evacuated.

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To begin with, this lists the total deaths in Gaza during the war. It makes zero distinction between (and it is impossible to distinguish between) deaths as a result of Israeli attacks and as a result of Hamas and the PIJ committing crimes against the Palestinian people on a massive scale. It also doesn’t account for the fact that this death toll displayed includes dead combatants. And correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe 8% of 2.14 million is equal to 85750.

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This argument makes no sense and asserts that they are committing genocide by starving the population to death, but at the same time, are only not starving the population to avoid a genocide or war crimes verdict. You can’t have both at once. And if Israel wanted to destroy the population by starvation, they could have, yet malnutrition accounts for very few of the war deaths.

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Gonna say again that if that was happening it wouldn’t be legitimate. I will always hope for the best for Palestinians. I’ll continue to debate you here as long ad you want to do that, I’ve always been a big believer in debating anything, no matter how crazy I think the other side is. I’ve debated racist xenophobic and islamophobic people because that’s the only way I can hope to possibly help them change their minds.

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I’m very sorry to inform you that I am neither a Nazi nor do I plan on killing myself, but I will happily continue to advocate in favor of protecting civilian lives and I hope you have a nice day.

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“Those kids they were murdering were all terrorists” People really be saying the most Nazi-ass shit ever and not hearing themselves

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Anonymous #5 6w

No one kills 80,000 people in self defense…. Quit making excuses you sick bastard.

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Anonymous #5 6w

The warning came from UAE.

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