Anonymous #1 2w

how did the third reich fall again? how was abolition achieved? how did South African apartheid end? “who gives a fuck about history if I can make myself feel better by claiming to oppose violence, despite complying with systemic violence?”

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Anonymous OP 2w

none of those things are analogous to trump

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Anonymous #1 2w

be careful avoiding the point like that without stretching, you might hurt yourself. trump is, however, a fascist and pedophile currently spearheading a fascist consolidation of power within the United States, while also expanding on systemic oppression of demographics that live here.

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Anonymous OP 2w

like i alluded to, how do systemic forms of oppression normally end? unless you, as I already touched on, want to openly support his fascist ideological beliefs and actions; which makes you complicit in said violence. can’t exactly claim to be opposed to political violence, or violence in general, as you sit here dismissing systemic forms of it, especially ones on the rise.

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Anonymous OP 2w

all of the leftists on here are some of the most disrespectful people on the planet lmao

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Anonymous #1 2w

Boo fucking hoo, had to change the topic instead of addressing what we’re actually talking about, in order to defend yourself huh? you aren’t owed any respect, especially as you sit there defending a pedophilic fascist. your little addiction to civility is meaningless.

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Anonymous #1 2w

if anything, you won’t get an ounce of respect until you earn it, and you’re actively striving to earn the disrespect of others.

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Anonymous OP 2w

lmaoo you’re no better than trump

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Anonymous #1 2w

you’re just unwilling to address anything I said, huh? you just have to project your complicity while refusing to recognize the important of violence in combatting systemic oppression (as a means of resistance) hence why I gave examples, I wonder why you refuse to address them….

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Anonymous OP 2w

i read through everything and you didn’t give me anything to address it was all just attacks or so incredibly broad, do you want to give me a specific topic to discuss?

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Anonymous #1 2w

How about the first comment you redirected away from?

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it’s quite easy to be dismissive when you maliciously minimize my entire argument into something I never claimed nor advocated for. Maybe you felt the need to do so out of your own guilt for aiding with those currently guilty of and committing genocide?

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Anonymous OP 2w

Siding with*

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interesting way to show it.

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

with all due respect, what does this have to do with my underlying point? we’re not discussing actively planning to do violence, we’re discussing whether it is sometimes required for dismantling certain forms of systemic oppression

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like I already criticized of you, it’s easy to dismiss an argument when you maliciously misrepresent and minimize it to a “boogeyman” then again you don’t want to address the topic, do you? You just want to make yourself feel better by claiming to be against violence regardless of reasoning.

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Anonymous OP 2w

that’s because i’m not discussing the use of violence. the third reich fell because the allies beat them (with guns). I specifically am talking about the lefts stance on gun control and gun violence, yet praise the murder of charlie kirk and the murder of the healthcare ceo and the 3x attempted murder of trump, it’s hypocracy

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Anonymous #1 2w

the allies beat them, with *violence*. (Guns are violent you dumb fuck) I don’t give a fuck about what you wanted to discuss, you came in my post trying to redirect the conversation out of your own guilt and discomfort. Fuck off if you don’t want to discuss the topic.

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and who the fuck advocated for that? like what the fuck is this shit? you’re sitting here repeatedly making up bullshit to defend yourself, when the fuck did I ever advocate to bomb Israel?? fucking disingenuous dickheads.

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it’s a dogshit one, and you’re not slick. you had to imagine an extreme and project it onto me instead of, once again, just addressing the topic at hand.

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Anonymous OP 2w

why are you so angry all the time

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Anonymous #1 2w

did you want to talk about the topic at hand, or are we still doing this redirecting bullshit? I’ll point you back to the ending of my previous response:

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Anonymous OP 2w

all of this cursing and name calling cannot be good for you anyway i responded to your topic, said the war was won with guns, apparently i didn’t say the magic word (i thought winning a war with guns implies violence but i guess not) then you told me i wasn’t answering your topic correctly and my attempts to give this a direction came with belittlement, so i don’t know what you want man. if you give me a topic i’ll talk about it but jeez man so much anger

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Anonymous #1 2w

you wanted to change the entire topic of discussion, did my refusal hurt your feelings or some shit? you’re being belittled because you’re dismissive and malicious, your intentions of using my post as a launching point for disparaging leftists while dismissing the rise of fascist and systemic violence is not acceptable, and as I repeatedly stated, you can fuck off if you don’t want to truly talk about the topic at hand.

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Anonymous #1 2w

please though, continue appealing to the civility of others as you a shill for fascists.

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Anonymous OP 2w

“as you sit there a shill for fascists”**

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Anonymous OP 2w

Bro chill out good grief it’s a discussion post not the Somme.

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Anonymous #4 2w

personally I see the only justified forms of violence as those that are a direct combat of systemic oppression (basically the power dynamics of oppressor vs oppressed) aside from that, on an individual scale, I’d personally justify cases of violence such as a victim retaliating against their abuser, stuff like that; but otherwise I’d agree that violence is overwhelmingly unacceptable (with the exception of those few caveats)

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Anonymous #4 2w

it would’ve been a conversation if they were willing to talk about anything I brought up, instead of redirect the entire convo :/ let’s not act like this kid didn’t come here to run some propo

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Anonymous OP 2w

Bro this is one of the most obvious rage baits of all time. You got baited. The dude is probably giggling behind his screen at how badly he got you.

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Anonymous #4 2w

lmaooo this is true, well partly. i kinda figured they are just seething every time i saw something, the giggling part is true

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Anonymous #4 2w

I mean I can’t contest that in hindsight….

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Anonymous OP 2w

and you still haven’t told me what’s acceptable to talk about yet. What would you like to discuss

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Anonymous OP 2w

and the funniest part is i agree with everything you said i just love the game too much

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Anonymous #1 2w

I hate you lmfaoo, you got me w the rage bait :(

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Anonymous OP 2w

nope that was bait again, i have no clue what point you were even trying to make you are all over the place man, be nice to people

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Anonymous #1 2w

you literally admit to rage baiting in this post, STFU. I don’t owe civility to those who actually support fascism, and obviously I would’ve assumed you held that belief as that was your chosen form of rage baiting.

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Anonymous #1 2w

“Niceness”, you’d be surprised to learn, is quite deeply linked to systemic white supremacy (via the insistence that everyone deserves niceness and civility, regardless of their individual beliefs and the subsequent impact of said beliefs)

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Anonymous OP 2w

LMAOOOO

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Anonymous OP 2w

dawg how do you connect people who say “violence is never to answer” to fascism this is about gun violence homie

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Anonymous #1 2w

this was never about gun violence, you tried to make it about gun violence while rage baiting. enjoy the chuckle you got out of this meaningless interaction ;)

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Anonymous OP 2w

So when you say “violence is required to stop oppression” (vague “violence” could mean lots of things) and you also say you oppose oppression, Then I’m putting 2 and 2 together and saying you’re advocating violence

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

You’re maliciously ignoring that keyword of “sometimes”.

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Anonymous OP 2w

“Maliciously” assuming intent now? 😭

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

when you specifically ignore the one word that dismisses your entire argument, then yes, maliciously. if you just happened to glance over that and missed it, then we can change the word “maliciously” to “coincidentally” if it’s that big of a deal for you.

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Anonymous OP 2w

“Sometimes required” means that it is required, sometimes. Im not leaving anything out, you’re just advocating for violence

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

is it just easier for you to attempt to dismiss my argument out of perceived “advocating for violence” rather than genuinely engaging in conversation? or did you need me to vocally deny advocating for outright violence once more? like I said, malicious.

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Anonymous OP 2w

My argument is that what your saying shows organizing is impossible

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

first it was about planning violence, then it was insisting that my argument is “advocating for violence” despite repeated denials, and now it’s about organization? maybe take a bit to actually think.

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Anonymous OP 2w

If you look at my original post you’ll see it’s been consistent that whole time

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

did your original comment focus on “planning violence” being illegal, or not? and organization was obviously a secondary point, as you made it conditional to the point of planning violence: “planning to do violence is illegal. my argument is about posting about it publicly shows levels of incompetence that makes actual organizing impossible” Why does your original reference of organizing have any bearing on this conversation if it’s built off a fundamental misunderstanding on your part?

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Anonymous OP 2w

hence why I mentioned the rapidly-changing nature of your argument.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Yes. You made your argument and I made mine

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

Self-reflection isn’t something you engage in, is it? (or acknowledging when you’re wrong apparently)

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Anonymous OP 2w

Can you just reply to my point

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

and what would that be? You’ve changed it repeatedly. (don’t even respond if it’s that goalpost of planning violence)

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Anonymous landtrust 2w

oh my fucking god posting about what landtrust, because no one here is planning violence like you’re attempting to insist.

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