Anonymous #1 5w

Do you feel comfortable referring to the IDF as terrorists too? If not, why?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 5w

Because it is a sovereign nation’s military used to defend a sovereign nation against the hostile nations in its proximity

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Anonymous #3 5w

“At the beginning of June 1961, after a long and anxious assessment of the South African situation, I, and some colleagues, came to the conclusion that as violence in this country was inevitable, it would be unrealistic and wrong for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the government met our peaceful demands with force.”

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Anonymous #3 5w

“This conclusion was not easily arrived at. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle, and to form uMkhonto weSizwe. We did so not because we desired such a course, but solely because the government had left us with no other choice. “

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Anonymous #3 5w

The unfortunate reality is that in many situations like this, there is no reason for a violent government to acquiesce if there is no threat of reprisal. You don’t just get rights by asking nicely. Look at how Israel shot at Gazans during the largely peaceful 2018 protests.

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Anonymous #4 5w

“Anybody who opposes the creation of a Palestinian state should support Hamas” - Benjamin Netanyahu

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Anonymous #3 5w

With a situation like Mandela the threat of violence was needed to create change. This is true in the United States as well. Our government holds up MLK as an example of peaceful protest, so it can keep quiet the role that violent groups like the Black Panthers played in pressuring the government to pick the peaceful compromise option.

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Anonymous #3 5w

Like #4 said, Israel helped get Hamas into power to prevent the more deradicalized Palestinian Authority from moving towards statehood. Israel will not willingly cooperate without outside pressure. That can be sanctions (like South Africa) or military pressure (also like South Africa, or like Rhodesia) but Israel is not inclined to stop expanding into the West Bank or other areas.

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Anonymous #3 5w

So what I would say is that Hamas is awful. But radicalized militant groups are a common response to colonization and oppression. And Israel has shown it is not inclined to stop its expansionism just because it has been asked nicely.

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Anonymous #1 5w

So even though they similarly seek to terrorize and punish civilians, they are not a terrorist because they are an official military? If Hamas became an official military of Palestine would they no longer be a terrorist group?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 5w

They do not seek to terrorize and punish civilians, palestinian civilians just overwhelmingly support, aid, and represent hamas, making it hard to differentiate

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Anonymous #1 5w

What makes you believe that Israelis aren’t seeking to terrorize and punish civilians?

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 5w

It seems that much of how they operate would point to the opposite conclusion

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Anonymous #6 5w

Yeaaahhh probably why bibi funded Hamas back in the day. Much easier to steal land if you can tell the world that you’re taking it from terrorists

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 5w

He funded them because they were the more moderate alternative to PLO/Fatah lmao

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