Anonymous #1 7w

Explain? Why should we respect an organization that doesn’t care to differentiate between anti Zionism and anti semitism?

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Anonymous OP 7w

Look at all of the initiatives the ADL has taken in support of Civil Rights for over a century. I say it’s the general public that can’t differentiate between the two as I see so many people comment about Israel and Palestine on posts that are literally just about Jewish holidays and Jewish culture.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Some people struggle to tell the difference but this post isn’t about some people, it’s about the ADL who markets themselves as an “anti hate organization” but who does more than most to stoke anti Palestinian and anti Jewish hatred. The fact that they’ve been on the right side of some issues in the past doesn’t negate this.

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Anonymous OP 7w

There’s nothing antisemitic about acknowledging the fact that the nation of Israel is committing a genocide against Palestinians. To act like it’s wrong to call out these crimes just makes hatred towards / disregard of Palestinians mainstream and makes antisemitism less of a serious claim, which makes it harder to combat real antisemitism, which does exist

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Anonymous OP 7w

Where was your outrage on October 7 and what do you think Israel should’ve done to respond to that?

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Anonymous #1 7w

Why are you so averse to addressing the actual subject of my post instead of constantly changing the topic? October 7th was terrible, just like the IDF terror campaigns that preceded and followed it. Israel should’ve stopped occupying Palestine and should’ve stopped treating their people as less than human. Imagine the peace that could be built if Israel treated Palestine like any other sovereign nation worthy of life and the protections enshrined in international law

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Anonymous OP 7w

As long as Israel occupies and maintains an apartheid justice system then oppressed and desperate people are going to do desperate and horrible things. Israel is the party in a position to stop the cycle but they have no interest in doing so, they thrive off of conflict. That’s why Netanyahu gives money to Hamas in the first place

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Anonymous OP 7w

Let me rephrase the question: say you are the leader of your country and a terrorist organization hellbent on destroying your people enters your country, kills 1,300 of your people, takes 250 of your people hostage, and calls for the world to do the same to your people across the rest of the world. How do you respond?

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Anonymous #1 7w

I would stop pursuing the policies that created that terrorist organization. If occupying someone else’s land pushed them to hate my people I would stop occupying their land and actually honor a ceasefire instead of violating it to shoot innocent people in the streets. I would release the hostages my country had arbitrarily detained and tortured. I would put money into helping them rebuild the schools and hospitals I had destroyed. Would give some of my excess food to the Palestinian children

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Anonymous OP 7w

I had been starving. All of this is possible to do while defending yourself. Defending yourself does not require genocide

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Anonymous OP 7w

To talk about October 7th as some stand alone act of violence is just dishonest. Israel is directly and fully responsible for what happened on October 7th

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Anonymous OP 7w

Did you know that a peace plan was offered in 1947 that would split the land into two and one side rejected it, went to war and lost? Did you also know that the “hostages” you refer to being held in Israel were actually convicted for terrorism? Hamas gets millions of dollars in aid and they could use that money to pursue health and education but they use it to build tunnels and weapons to kill Jews. Israel also sends tons of food into the Gaza Strip.

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Anonymous OP 7w

To say that Israel was responsible for October 7 is to say that America is fully responsible for 9/11, and by your logic it would also mean that Hamas was responsible for Israel’s response to October 7

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Anonymous #1 7w

America was largely responsible for 9/11, yes. We explicitly created the unstable and undemocratic systems that gave rise to people like osama bin Laden. That’s what happens when the cia executes the peaceful socialists and props up Islamist warlords because we preferred repressive extremsists who were friendly to America over anyone who was even vaguely socialist/communist

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Anonymous OP 7w

Israel is the powerful party that is subjugating Palestinians, not the other way around. It is the Israelis who have the resources to create change and have chosen not to. Palestine doesn’t have a military to defend itself (because of the Israeli blockade). Palestine doesn’t have respected borders or sovereignty. They don’t have a functional healthcare system or even basic civil services, again because of Israeli actions.

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Anonymous #1 7w

Israel has repeatedly offered one sided peace deals and then been surprised when they’re not accepted. We cannot blame Palestine for not accepting deals where one side gets to keep all the weapons and most of the land while the other side must entirely disarm and take slivers of the land they are owed. All while Israel routinely shows they’ll violate any ceasefire or border anyway.

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Anonymous OP 7w

The majority of hostages held by Israel have not been convicted of any crime. That’s why an apartheid justice system is problematic, you cannot separate real terrorists from the civilians taken hostage because it is a sham justice system. You can tell that’s the case because of how many women and children are taken hostage by Israel, and how they’re routinely tortured and raped while in Israeli custody. You can look this up, lots of reporting on it

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Anonymous OP 7w

Israel is strategically strangling Gaza, they always have. Again, plenty of reporting on this. If Israel didn’t want children to starve then the children wouldn’t be starving. Preventing said starvation is as easy as allowing Palestine to receive aid being sent in from around the world, the only reason people still starve is because Israel wants them to.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Oh hamas should use the money to build hospitals and schools? While their hospitals and schools are being bombed these people should pay for more schools and hospitals so they can get bombed again, instead of trying to fight back against the people bombing the schools and hospitals?

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Anonymous OP 7w

Oh I also forgot to mention that evidence from intelligence agencies, journalistic investigations and military documentation that Hamas has placed military infrastructure including tunnels and command rooms underneath and inside hospitals

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Anonymous #1 7w

Well again, saying things like that without understanding the context doesn’t really serve a purpose. If Palestinians were able to have a national military like Israel does then they could have bases to fight from, but Israel made sure they couldn’t have that. If hamas were able to import concrete and defensive weapons then they could have bases to fight from but Israel makes sure they can’t do that. If Palestinians had freedom of navigation inside of and outside of their own territory then

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Anonymous OP 7w

They could maybe set up bases elsewhere but Israel made sure they couldn’t do that. Lacking the ability to create workable bases like any other force could do, they are forced to operate in dense areas, sometimes near or underneath hospitals. It’s also worth asking, if Hamas supposedly has bases underneath hospitals does that make it ok to murder the patients?

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Anonymous OP 7w

A similar situation would be if Hamas took a Palestinian patient hostage. Would it then be ok for Israel to butcher them both?

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