No, “socialism” (not socialism, but social democracy! Big difference) works there because they help exploit the global south and participate in unequal exchange
Social democracy could work without that if they just manufactured stuff at home
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
That’s not how capitalism works my guy
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
Social democracy is a mix of both
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
No, social democracy is just capitalism but with concessions that could easily be revoked when the bourgeois class deems it is necessary. As Stalin said, it is the moderate wing of fascism
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
Maybe in Germany but not today
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
No, this is how social democracy always is as a political structure. It goes beyond just Germany
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
Not exactly. You can just vote for someone who represents you. People just don’t have the courage to vote for something that’s not a democrat
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
And what parties in multiparty liberal democracies legitimately represent the interests of the working class? Give me some examples.
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
I’m not part of any party. I think there should be a populist party though
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
That wasn’t an answer to my question. I didn’t ask what party are you in. I asked, what parties legitimately represent the interests of the proletariat in a liberal democracy
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
I don’t know what party. But your question assumes the worker and the business owner can’t both be in the same party
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
Nope, not what I said either. A business owner can be part of the vanguard party, but it doesn’t represent his class interests (look at modern China). The reason you can’t name any of these parties is because they dont exist
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
There’s more to life than class interests
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
Yes but there isn’t much more to economics than class interests
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
But your relationship to others is more than economics
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
This entire conversation is about macroeconomics, not my personal social life lmfao
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
Okay so therefore when you base your entire government on “class interests” it doesn’t encompass reality correctly. Social democracy is much more accurate
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
How so?
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
Because it acknowledges there is no permanent contradiction between classes
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Anonymouslandtrust56w
But there is, the interests of the bourgeois and proletarian classes are inherently contradictory in 99% of situations
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Anonymousxi.jinping56w
There’s not. Theres more to the people behind the class than the class and there’s a lot of things that are mutually beneficial