I get it’s hard to NOT believe I’m trying to defend Dems any chance I get, but I will defend most descriptive statements. In politics, yes, optics and rhetoric obviously matter, but if a Republican or a Leftist said this, I would also say it’s true BUT the quality of the statement matters just as much. I can almost guarantee Clinton said something along the lines of helping build countries up or getting rid of certain elements like dictators, etc in order to help other nations

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I’d probably get into the meat of the statement a bit more, because I understand the leftist perspective of imperialism and other examples they’d give of American fuck-ups, but I firmly believe in some, not all, neoliberal principles as opposed to isolationism and just “leaving them alone”. Nation-building is a cornerstone of one of my beliefs.

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And sure, that’s why I said optics do matter. I hate that it does because I’ve always seen optics as pearl-clutching, but the reality of the situation is people do care about that shit. I don’t think it’s her being tone deaf either. Remember, Obama deported a lot of people and so did Bush. Immigration has always been an issue that has overlapped administrations, including the one she was involved in.

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Yes, we can argue and debate the facts and history of those admins involvement regarding immigration reform, but is anyone really expecting Hillary Clinton to come out and say “Abolish ICE” or “Open borders now”?

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What definition of fascism are you using?

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No, I’m not joking. What definition of fascism are you using?

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It’s not apologia nor is nationalistic. You stated that the United States has been fascist since its inception so I’m asking you to define fascism with how you’re using it. Are you using Mussolini’s, Paxton’s, Griffin’s, or just “state violence = fascism”?

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I don’t even know what your definition of nationalism is either 🤦‍♂️ It’s fine you don’t want to have the conversation, but you can’t keep shitting your pants instead of engaging when I’m being pretty reasonable.

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Yes lol. Again, it’s fine if you don’t want to have the conversation. I’m not going to force you, but you can’t keep saying you don’t want to engage while also saying stupid ass shit because you’re in too pissy of a mood due to your inability to do anything other than argue with rhetoric.

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Whatever you say. Not that surprising coming from someone who supports genocide to run away

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We’re not doing this. I’ve already argued with someone else today about their support for genocide. I’m not going to do it with you.

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If they’re good faith and cordial, I tend to be pretty amicable 🤷‍♂️ If they’re you, I tend not let shit slide.

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😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

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Your point? 🤣

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