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Lowk it’s really depressing how racism and meritocratic propaganda has so dramatically dissolved rural working class solidarity in the United States.

Anonymous 20w

Like socialism used to be popular. Those guys in the Appalachians weren’t doing their labor uprisings out of a love for the bootstraps of the mine owners. But I guess the U.S. government needed to make socialism extra scary after the Soviets got power and it worked. And now many Americans think unions are bad.

Anonymous 20w

Entirely by design btw

Anonymous 20w

I brought up Cuba because people oft allege that socialism is the magical form of communism that actually works. They alleged that the real theory has never been tried. Two minutes in that poor country which, in the depths of the depression, its poorest poor were richer than many of the most wealthy in the United States, will dissolve such a delusion. (2/3)

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Anonymous 20w

* reportings

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Anonymous 20w

Will try again: I brought up Cuba because people often times alleged that socialism is the magical form of communism that actually works. They alleged that the real theory has never been tried. 3 minutes in that country will cure anyone of such sentiment. (2/3)

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Anonymous 20w

Any “working class solidarity“ would be limited by the actual size of working class, same with the middle class. If neither exist, then neither can their sentiment. For there to be working class or even middle class to support them, there must be work to be done yet where is the industry or agriculture but caught up by the corporations and sold overseas?

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Anonymous 20w

(2/3) it is claimed that socialism is magical communism that actually works or hasn’t actually been tried. 3 minutes in Cuba will cure anyone of this sentiment. The absence of “working class solidarity“, across the U.S., but in your Appalachia specifically I imagine has largely been repealed due to the ravaging of the working & middle class, which along w/industry & the family farm, working class solid was sold to the more solidly socialist: PRC

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Anonymous 20w

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Anonymous 20w

Whoever keeps reporting my comments, you can keep reporting them, and I’ll keep posting the exact same thing, I have them saved in a doc.

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Anonymous 20w

Wtf are you talking abt?! Like I know the origin of redneck but you seriously need to visit Cuba

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Anonymous

#1 20w

Republicans are so stupid 🤦‍♂️

Anonymous

#1 20w

Example A

Anonymous

OP 20w

Can complain but can’t counter an argument

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Anonymous

#1 20w

“A heavily sanctioned authoritarian island reliant on sugarcane is why we shouldn’t have unions, working class solidarity, and socialist policy” is a wild connection to try to make.

Anonymous

OP 20w

Cuba’s economic problem was not that it gave people healthcare and education. It was that it became a target of the most powerful country on the planet and has been reliant on sugarcane for centuries and did not sufficiently diversify its economy.

Anonymous

OP 20w

You’re putting words in my mouth, being disingenuous, and you know it.

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Anonymous

OP 20w

Not exactly, on the topic of Cuba, just because the United States does not trade with them does not mean it is the fault of the United States that they fail when they have almost 190 other countries could trade with. The strawman of “capitalism” I will not use to suggest that an exchange of goods and specialization of things such as tobacco and sugar game would fix their problem, however, they have open trade with the world, just not the United States.

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Anonymous

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I was talking about the decline in the labor movement of the United States and you started going “oh yeah well Cuba.” How exactly am I misrepresenting you?

Anonymous

OP 20w

I wasn’t saying unions shouldn’t exist, however, that doesn’t mean we ought to paint ourselves, red. I would be fully in favor for a small, communist enclave to exist at urban scale somewhere in the United States, so long as it is ideologically, isolated, self-sufficient, and such cancer does not infect the rest of the country. (1/3)

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Anonymous 20w

Where have my other two comments gone? Can’t survive without being absolutely in control and drunk on such a small amount of power?!

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Anonymous 20w

Oh, you see, he has to delete my comments to win.

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Anonymous 20w

I haven’t deleted anything I don’t have the power to do that nor would I. I didn’t report them either idk what you’re talking about. Maybe you ran afoul of the automatic filters?

Anonymous

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You’re dming me about this now? I didn’t delete anything dude.

Anonymous

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^(3/3)

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Anonymous

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I imagine such “working class solidarity“ appears to have swung away from socialism toward the right and Trump when it has not. It was neither here nor there. Instead, he simply appealed to solidarity of the nation, the nation being that group of people, which had formerly been seen as “working-class solidarity“ and appealed to the libertarian views of those people, nation, or class. For any of these more socialistic refused to be brought back I imagine so would in industry and the family farm.

Anonymous

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Such socialistic solidarity was sold to the more solidly socialist: PRC

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Anonymous

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As I said, Cuba’s economic woes are more about a heavily sanctioned economy which is reliant exclusively on a single cash crop. The same applies for Venezuela with oil. That is why they are not good refutations of socialism. If you’re gonna go after command economies at least use the eastern bloc as your example.

Anonymous

OP 20w

Also is “companies keep buying up American industry and shifting it to poorer nations where they don’t have to pay laborers as much” supposed to be a point *against* socialism? That sounds more like saying capitalism is bad.

Anonymous

OP 20w

Your phrasing is very confusing and hard to follow.

Anonymous

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Please stop spamming no one cares

Anonymous

OP 20w

I apologize

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Anonymous

OP 20w

Within Venezuela, they were formally a very diverse economy with oil being a heavy contributor, not a sole expert or sustaining

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Anonymous

OP 20w

“Capitalism“, is a strawman created by Marx. It is unfortunate that it was adopted as the official brand of the West. I would rather be described as living in a free market Democratic Republic. So yes, it is both against socialism and against the policies of a “capitalist” country. It has hurt people. The people are my concern.

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Anonymous

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Anonymous

#2 20w

Refute my argument, don’t complain that I make mine

Anonymous

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I am not a republican

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Anonymous

#1 20w

I can’t even read your argument because you’ve spammed it across 5 different comments in different chains 💀 I don’t blame that guy for reporting you

Anonymous

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Not exactly, the ill that harms the people

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Anonymous

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Don’t address reality just keep streaming into the void that it exists, oh the burden.

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Anonymous 20w

When did I refute that genocide was a word or that it had a legal definition? Likely a waste of text in asking, yet I ask nonetheless.

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Anonymous 20w

What are you on about? Is this conversation not about the so-called “working class solidarity movement(s)“ of Appalachia? I think you may be in the wrong comment section.

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Anonymous 20w

Oh, I’m sorry my keyboard layout is DVORAK instead of QWERTY If u don’t want pretense, don’t put words in my mouth

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Anonymous

OP 20w

actual socialism has never been that popular in the us lmao, nowhere near the scale of continental europe