Anonymous #2 17w

they basically said i was being selfish

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Anonymous #2 17w

you’ll be a victim of fascism instead!

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

I am neither mentally nor physically built for violence…neither are a lot of other folks out here

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Anonymous #2 17w

Yeah, but they like to think they are 😭 I don’t know if a lot on here could handle firing a rifle.

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Anonymous #2 17w

it doesn’t matter. the fascists don’t care. they’ll just kill. this is why they’re attacking every single protection that allows people with disabilities to survive. soon they will not even be able to graduate high school, and will be effectively barred from wage labor

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

The best recourse for some of us is to vote for the best option and move on. We don’t all want to be katniss everdeen

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Anonymous #2 17w

no one wants to have to defend themselves, but sometimes you have to

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

🙄

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

Ur right, republicans are attacking protections and benefits. The best recourse for that is to vote for those who won’t

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Anonymous #2 17w

because they are currently, and have previously, done so much to prevent Republicans for doing so

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Anonymous #2 17w

I mean Republican recourse in MN was literally 2 assassinations with pretty much no negative consequences for the party, seems rather effective in the grand scheme of it all

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

I mean that jeffries dude did a whole filibuster for the “big beautiful nonsense” It was ultimately ineffective b/c dems dont hold a fed. legislative chamber

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

ya unless someone is directly in front of me about to hurt me, imma sit on my ass and watch everyone else fight. i’m not made for that. i’m made to die in zombie apocalypses and crap like i’ll horde food if needed, but im not about to just fight to fight fuck that

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Anonymous #1 17w

Exactly, and i’m like 5’6” 140 lb i aint built for allat I’m too scared to even merge on highways 😭😭

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Anonymous #1 17w

this is how the Holocaust happened. lots of normal people let it happen. apathy is death

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

You’re not doing much to prevent it either.

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

more than the folks supporting the moderate wing of fascism. y’all couldn’t even be convinced not to arm a genocidal state yet think y’all can defend ‘democracy’

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

oh I care, but I know my ass isn’t gonna be the one capable of doing any positive change. i’d be one to protest and get my ass beat to death on the street like that’s my luck dude

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

all the while functioning against those who actually have an alternative to fascism and neoliberal capitalism

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

You are quite literally the equivalent of a fascist though 😭 You reject liberal democracy and embrace an ideology that ALWAYS ends up with vanguard party authoritarianism. You’ve admitted before you’re a single party rule supporter 😂

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

Just for some context orangutan is for ethno states you should ask them about that lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

I’ve gone back and forth with him for over a year. I’m quite aware of his dogshit lefty views. Ethnostate for me but not for thee.

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

Same, unironically believes ethno states are based as long as they aren’t white.

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

Yeaaah. He’s a white guilt guy.

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

Is he white lol I was wondering that?

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

you live in an ethnostate btw

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

Just a white boy from South Carolina doing the most he can to get an invitation to the cookout.

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

How is the US an ethno state?

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

Wait if you want all the white people to go live in Europe are you fine with European ethno states?

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

inb4 some shit like “white heteronormative hegemony”

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

Fr he’s trying to get the pass smh

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

it’s actively trying to question citizenship for nonwhites whilst putting vast swaths of the working class in concentration camps. oh and second-class citizenship was only ‘abolished’ 60 years ago. the systemic racism that exists is systemic because it’s an ethnostate lmfao

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

So the Trump admin wants an ethno state, if your referencing laws that are changing then that would mean the previous laws weren’t ethno state like. The same thing applies if you’re referring laws in the past that means the current laws aren’t ethno state like. So again how is the U.S. an ethno state?

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

It’s really not that hard you don’t have to go full hotep, I started working for social security and I got invited to the cookout 5 times in a year bc I can dance to Earth Wind & Fire

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

i really do not care to argue about how the US is a white supremacist state. if you want to deny your own history, then so be it

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

If an ethno state is just when systemic racism is a thing that would apply to almost every country. Almost every country has disadvantaged ethnic groups also idk what country has a better model in the 1960s.

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

We’re not talking about history dipshit you said the U.S. is a current ethno state.

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Is an ethno state when you deport non residents now lol? So every country is an ethno state. Also deportations aren’t inherently bad I don’t want an undocumented 2nd class group in this country. Deportations are bad when you’re throwing them in cecot or you’re going into neighborhoods and you’re throwing out people who have ties to the community.

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

nothing exists in a vacuum. the US and its policies and attitudes today are inseparable from its past

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Anonymous #3 17w

Based

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

I agree they are inseparable from the past. That doesn’t mean you should conflate the past and the present. Is Italy currently the Roman Empire bc you can’t separate the past and the present? You’re obviously being dishonest.

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No I already stated how it’s meaningfully different if you can’t understand the difference between deporting someone and sending someone to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Then I’m grateful you’re privileged enough there’s no meaningful difference for you.

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

ah yes, because i am conflating the past with the present by mentioning that the US is questioning citizenship and sending nonwhite peoples to concentration camps. regardless when you look in American history, what i said above is true, yet you think this isn’t an ethnostate? white people have always and STILL wield political and economic power in the US. nonwhite peoples have not. that’s what makes this country a white ethnostate

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Yes bc a legal process has to happen to accept people in. What would you rather they do just let unoccupied minors along with other vulnerable populations into the country undocumented? It’s better than Trump keeping them out in border towns where they are significantly less likely to get asylum.

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Also Biden did things like humanitarian parole and tried to increase asylum judges to decrease people held at these facilities. All things Trump ended.

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Meanwhile maga is giggling about feeding migrants to alligators at new Trump facilities, but yes all sides are the same you aren’t just uneducated on immigration policy.

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Anonymous blue__wave 17w

Don’t you understand! Republicans want to feed kids to alligators but Democrats have definitely said they’d feed children to crocodiles if they are wrapped in Pride flags! This happened!!

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Ok I agree that the system should be more humane guess what party has put resources in to make it more humane and which party actively fights against that?

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I guess they can remove the fence if that makes you pro democrat, but you still have to hold people so we can figure out what to do with them, instead of them just being in the country as a 2nd class of undocumented people.

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Anonymous #2 17w

tell me you don’t know anything about revolutionaries past without telling me you don’t. revolutions don’t always require every single individual to be violent. on that same note, you can’t just vote away fascism.

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I can’t tell if you’re purposely being this stupid or if this is genuine. 1. if they were cattle you wouldn’t be putting them through an asylum process. 2. Pilgrims were colonial settlers they weren’t asylum seekers idk what the point of referencing that even is. We already do give them housing that what Trump was screaming about Roosevelt hotel in NY

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That’s why*

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Again maybe you think allowing people to have asylum and slavery are the same thing I’m glad you’re privileged enough in your life that you can believe that, but for normal people it’s better to document people and give them a legal chance to stay in this country.

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Again I’m for more asylum judges just like Joe Biden so we can process more people faster.

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Yeah obviously bc I disagree with your analysis on immigration policy that means I love to control and torture people that’s rlly good faith and not unhinged. I don’t want any undocumented people here ideally I don’t care what their skin tone is lol. You’re the only one who’s begging that I’m secretly racist so we can have a convo about that instead of how clueless you are on this topic. I’m just not talking this schzio ramble seriously.

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Ok cool if you agree Biden was better on immigration then vote dem simple and get other people to vote dem. Just bc he doesn’t fulfill his entire platform doesn’t mean you shouldn’t vote for him.

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Also I like how I have to read what you say more closely while you're accusing me of being pro torture. If you're gonna be bad faith im gonna shit talk cope and take your meds.

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wow y’all are still going Look criticizing these guys is not just okay, it’s encouraged I just don’t think it’s logical to not vote for the least harmful option when the time comes

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alright just as long as we agree on that much

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Do you not know what asylum means lmao?? I’m saying I want the U.S. to accept more refugees and help out backed up systems do you think asylum = torture what lol? I’ll say this again deportation isn’t inherently bad I’ve already told you the meaningful difference twice at this point either actually engage with what I’m saying or you keep spamming out I’m pro torture ig.

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I would much rather my family would be able to be processed rather than being forced to live in whatever awful condition they’re leaving. How am I advocating for less humane conditions what specifically have I said pls god tell me instead of making up my positions.

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I don’t agree with everything the democrats. I’m glad you can have an imaginary version of me in your head that you can argue with. You literally admitted in this convo Biden changed things idk pandered to the right either?

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Also what’s your skin in the game?

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“The thing that’s disappointing about liberals”. Bruh…this is the same poster 4 hours later 😂 Have you ever actually seen this person talk about anything that isn’t a critique?

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

It’s not, as I said in the comment that somehow kicked this whole thread off ittibitti blocked me

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

#6’s view is that folks should be willing to criticize who they vote for, which i agree with!

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Anonymous _orangutan 17w

Yes and I already responded to “the U.S. is questioning citizenship of people” as well. I’m responding to your other point where you’re dishonestly conflating the past with the present. you obviously know that idk why you acted like it was criticism of your other point. Idk if weed has fried your brain or you’re just being dishonest.

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Yes that’s literally what the past means, 60 years ago was the past. That’s not my argument I agree systemic problems do exist I’m saying that doesn’t make the US an ethno state. Again I can’t tell if you guys are purposefully, being dishonest or not bc I explicitly clarified this.

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Yeah bc why would I circle jerk over dumb criticisms of dems? I have my own criticisms I don’t see the point of voicing them when people on here are overly critical of the dems for bad reasons. I truly don’t care if I agree with conservatives or moderates I don’t form my political beliefs around whatever people find progressive I base them around what I think is correct.

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I thought him pardoning his son was bad I think he could’ve done more in Ukraine, I think him trying to get the equal rights amendment in was silly and wasn’t going to work, I think ideally he should’ve stepped down I understand the logic of why he wouldn’t. I’m sure there’s more I honestly don’t think about Biden that much post election bc he’s politically done.

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Oh lmao I thought you had actual skin in the game like you had family members who had some vulnerable immigration status, so be clear you don’t have any personal relationship to the asylum system?

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Wdym I think it should change presidents shouldn’t pardon their sons? I guess I can’t explain why that’s bad.

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We’re not talking about recency we’re talking about the past.

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Or sorry I can explain why that’s bad*

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Ok if that’s true then that would be actual skin in the game I agree.

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Bc I think the spirit of the pardon is to check on the judicial branch it’s not a way for people to escape justice bc their dad is the president.

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I keep clarifying this and you keep acting like I’m not, idk if you selectively read or what. I AGREE IT DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. That’s the point I’m making I agree it impacts the present again that’s not the point I’m making pls god actually read fully what I say.

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Anonymous #8 17w

Yeah lol. Fuck the left. They do nothing but complain about liberals yet don’t actually contribute any sort of substance to the Democratic Party. Get bent, eat shit, go start your own shitty little unpopular party :^)

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Anonymous #8 17w

ML Vanguard authoritarians when they starve their populations be like

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Anonymous boykisser9000 17w

Liberals actively starving people for profit will really look at like 3 famines and swear up and down communism is the greatest evil in the history of mankind

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Anonymous #8 17w

Oh shut up and go start your revolution already, ya fuckin’ blowhard

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