Anonymous #2 12w

Who said they represent them? All I’m sayin is they’re going out of their way NOT to condemn or even mention the white supremacist march

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Anonymous OP 12w

Yeah, it's the 4th. Nobody wants to spend the day apologizing for other people's actions.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Dawg if unironic Pol Pot glazers did a whole ass march, I’d be talking shit on them

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Anonymous #5 12w

Ok? If unironic NK glazers did I would do the same

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Anonymous #5 12w

Point being these are not very relevant ideologies in America, and you likely wouldn't condemn something that is such as Islamic extremism

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Anonymous #2 12w

“My bad guys, it’s a holiday so that means I can’t condemn white supremacist groups today!” This has literally nothing to do with the 4th of July and everything to do with yall being unwilling to condemn white supremacists lmfao 😭😭😭

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Anonymous #2 12w

Did you just say that white supremacy isn’t a relevant ideology in America while Islamic extremism is?

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Anonymous #2 12w

You think Islamic extremism is a “very relevant ideology in America” what are you smoking bro. All of this instead of just saying, hey white supremacy is bad! White supremacy is literally a bigger issue in America than “Islamic extremism” and has been since the founding of our country lmao

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Anonymous #6 12w

No lol it's just very clear that you don't want to know whether or not I condemn them. You want me to apologize for any type of perceived association, and that doesn't exist.

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Anonymous #2 12w

What the fuck are you talking about?

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Anonymous #6 12w

You can read I take it?

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Anonymous #2 12w

If you vote for the same guy, and that guy pardons them when they do crimes and treats them as his supporters, there’s an association.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Riding on a pretty big "if" there.

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Anonymous #2 12w

When did I ever say I wanted you to apologize for a perceived association? All I said is it wouldn’t kill yall to condemn white supremacists lmfao and that not condemning white supremacy has nothing to do with the 4th of July nor does it have anything to do with “Islamic extremism” 😭😭😭

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Anonymous #6 12w

I condemn all totalitarianism and autocracy, especially anyone calling themselves a socialist. Happy?

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Anonymous #2 12w

Apologizing? You can’t say “white supremacy and all marches supporting it is bad and I condemn it” just because it’s on a day that’s inconvenient to you?

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Anonymous #2 12w

“Especially anyone calling themselves a socialist” is fucking hilarious when it’s conservative white nationalists we are talking about.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Jesus Christ you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about do you? Once again, god forbid you just say you don’t fw white supremacists. Is it really that hard?

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Anonymous #3 12w

“Guys I know we are talking about neo-Nazis marching in the capital but I’m gonna condemn a completely different political group (which coincidentally those white nationalists rally around opposing). Surely this will successfully deflect!”

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Anonymous #3 12w

What is Nazi short for? I forgot.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Hey so if you can’t tell the difference between a white nationalist and a democratic socialist I don’t think you’re properly equipped for this conversation. Still waiting on that condemnation of white supremacy btw!

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Anonymous #6 12w

Do you think white supremacist governance isn't a form of totalitarianism?

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Anonymous #2 12w

Oh is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea a democratic republic too? They have it in the name so surely it’s true!

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Anonymous #3 12w

No but it'd be true to say they call themselves that.

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Anonymous #2 12w

So people can lie 🤯 You still haven’t condemned white supremacy btw

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Anonymous #3 12w

In my opinion its a sect of totalitarianism and would be included in my condemnation of that, which is why I asked if my answer before was satisfactory. Since you do not see it that way, I explicitly condemn white nationalism/supremacy/racism

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Anonymous #2 12w

Okay so it wasn’t until after people bugged you about it, that you felt like you had to condemn racism even after you tried to avoid doing it by pretending it was some sort of apology or because it was inconvenient

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Anonymous OP 12w

No, it's just that some people don't understand that racial hierarchy is a form of totalitarianism or do not see it that way.

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Anonymous #2 12w

That’s exactly what you did. You were prompted to condemn the white supremacy and chose to condemn socialism first. Why is that?

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Anonymous #2 12w

Took you long enough. In your original post you went out of your way to say “especially socialism” instead of the white supremacists we were talking about, who btw also go on rants about how much they hate socialism.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Because these people are totalitarians calling themselves socialists, and I disagree with that sentiment in general. More specifically I also disagree with their racial views but I prefer to make general statements as opposed to specialized ones because it tells you more of my beliefs.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Thank you. Literally all I was asking by the way, excuse me for being confused on your stance when you bring up irrelevancies like socialism and “Islamic extremism”. You could’ve saved us all the trouble by just leading with this btw.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Okay so let me get this straight. You didn’t want to condemn the white rally marches because it’s the fourth of july and you shouldn’t have to. But you happily took the time to condemn a group nobody brought up?

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Anonymous OP 12w

No, I don't want to apologize for their actions and thats clearly what you want from me more so than an understanding of what I support and what I condemn.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Show me when I told you to apologize. I’ll wait.

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Anonymous #2 12w

If you don’t support them like you just fucking said why would you need to apologize??

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Anonymous #6 12w

Because people want to associate me with them based on an illogical view that politics are a single line spectrum.

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Anonymous #2 12w

You’re crying that anyone here told you to apologize. Show one person here who did.

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Anonymous #2 12w

They aren’t socialists. They actively recruit people by going “you should be scared of socialism and you should join us to protect the country from it”

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Anonymous OP 12w

I didn't say that you told me to, I said it's what you want more so than an understanding of what I support and condemn.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Bro we are actively trying to understand where you’re coming from but you’re caught up on this apology bullshit assuming we’re trying to back you in a corner. Dude we’re just confused because your explanation of your stance is confusing??

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Anonymous #2 12w

Show me when I said I want it! I told you to condemn it. You’re pretending condemning is the same as apologizing. Really convenient you went so out of your way to condemn socialism with no issue but had to be pressed to do the same with the rallies

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Anonymous OP 12w

In my mind those two condemnations are one and the same

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Anonymous #2 12w

“Ah yes conservative white supremacists are marching in support of a Republican president. Clearly I need to condemn socialism!”

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah, national socialism should be condemned

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Anonymous #2 12w

Condemning socialism the economic system and the current white rally march promoting white supremacy that has nothing to do with economics is the same to you?

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Anonymous #2 12w

So Nazism should be condemned, not socialism. Because national socialism isn’t socialism.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Not all socialism is totalitarianism and the fact that you believe totalitarianism is necessitated in any form of socialism is concerning

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Anonymous #2 12w

That wasn’t an answer. Yes or no.

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Anonymous OP 12w

I didn't condemn socialism in its entirety, I condemned totalitarianism and especially totalitarians calling themselves socialists. If you don't take issue with these people, it's not because you support socialism, it's because you support totalitarianism.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Like dude do you think having socialism in the name is what makes something socialist? It’s not about the title it’s about how the system functions. Just like someone else already explained with North Korea.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Bruh YOU are the one who called socialism totalitarian

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Anonymous #2 12w

Yes or no. You think that socialism, the economic system is the same as the current white supremacy rally, that doesn’t mention economics, going on today?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Not true but I see the misunderstanding now

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Anonymous OP 12w

No? I think the condemnation of totalitarians calling themselves socialists and the condemnation of these specific white nationalists is the exact same thing.

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Anonymous #2 12w

So instead of condemning the actual march first, you chose to condemn socialists specifically first? Even though this group isn’t even calling themselves socialists?

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Anonymous #2 12w

If socialism isn’t the same thing, then you have no reason to condemn people who believe in the economic system PRIOR to the people who believe in white supremacy who are marching

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Anonymous #2 12w

Why would a totalitarian (in the context of our country and the original point of this post being about the white nationalist rally) call themselves a socialist unless they were specifically referring to national socialism? I don’t understand the point of the distinction you’re making?

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Anonymous OP 12w

Wow, almost as if I didn't condemn socialism 🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous #2 12w

YOU QUITE LITERALLY DID??

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Anonymous #6 12w

That claim necessitates the idea that socialism is totalitarianism

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Anonymous #2 12w

The white supremacy group is a racial group. They don’t call themselves socialist. You specifically condemned anyone who did first. Economic system belief didn’t get brought up. But you chose to condemn anyone who calls themselves a socialist first, again, unprompted by the way after saying you didn’t want to be inconvenienced by condemning the white rally marched

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Anonymous OP 12w

Its a splinter of Vanguard, historically they do call themselves socialists (more specifically "Neo-Nazis" or Neo/New National Socialists)

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Anonymous #2 12w

Bruh you made a post that’s essentially “I condemn all murderers, but especially ones that are women” after a dude committed a murder and were surprised when that was seen as fucking weird?

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Anonymous #3 12w

No I'm surprised that you guys are so averse to a condemnation of totalitarianism

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Anonymous #2 12w

They’re actually calling these a neo-fascist group or ultra-nationalist.

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Anonymous #2 12w

“Wow I’m surprised you guys are so averse to a condemnation of murderers”

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Anonymous #2 12w

We’re asking why you felt the need to condemn socialists before white supremacists. You acknowledge they’re not the same

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Anonymous #2 12w

Point to where literally any of us said that LMAO

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Anonymous OP 12w

I never condemned socialism, I condemned totalitarians calling themselves socialists

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Anonymous #2 12w

Again, I did this because I felt it gave a more general view of what I support and condemn, and assumed that this would be more meaningful in such a discussion.

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Anonymous #2 12w

“I never condemned women, I just condemned women murderers specifically for no reason in a conversation about people who aren’t women”

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Anonymous #2 12w

Do you acknowledge condemning socialists and condemning the march happening today, is not the same thing?

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Anonymous #2 12w

In a conversation about white supremacists you’re supposed to condemn the white supremacy. Because the white supremacy in the problem being talked about.

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Anonymous #3 12w

This is like pretending that Malcom X had nothing to do with the Black Panthers, these people were literally openly calling themselves national socialists less than a decade ago and have barely distanced the organization from that.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Yeah absolutely

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Anonymous #2 12w

What the fuck are you talking about??

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Anonymous #2 12w

dude, it makes your point significantly harder to track. Muddying the water with irrelevancies like Islamic extremism, whether Nazis were actually socialists or not, continuing to provide vague responses when someone asks a straight forward question to better understand your view, etc doesn’t do anything but confuse us further.

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Anonymous #6 12w

Whether the Nazis were actually socialists or not is an irrelevant point you guys have brought up. They called themselves socialists.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Omfg. You were LITERALLY the one who brought it up.

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Anonymous #6 12w

I tried to use the Islamic extremism thing as a comparison but obviously its not very useful because you haven't experienced that, which is fair.

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Anonymous #2 12w

And Hitler was a vegetarian bruh but condemning vegetarians specifically while not naming the antisemitism and white supremacy is weird as fuck

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Anonymous #3 12w

I did explicitly name that when you guys asked, but its not the only reason I condemn them and its not the first one that comes to mind

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Anonymous #2 12w

In that, I don't necessarily think the Nazi ideology would have been any better even if racial groups were meaningful categorizations determining a person's value in society. If we lived in a world where this was the case and it was the objectively best racial groups ever doing this, the totalitarian ideology and government would have still have been wrong. The reason I added in calling themselves socialists is because we have a particular branch of totalitarians in our history who do this.

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Anonymous #2 12w

And so to be clear you condemned socialists before the march happening today?

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Anonymous OP 12w

Point me to where I condemned anybody that even called themselves a socialist who is not a totalitarian

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Anonymous #2 12w

That’s not an answer.

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Anonymous OP 12w

If you were looking for a yes or no answer instead of an explanation, no I did not.

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Anonymous #2 12w

The group marching today doesn’t call themselves socialist. They’re not considered socialist. They’re a racial group by nature. You condemned socialists before you condemned the people we asked you to condemn fist.

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Anonymous OP 12w

Again, point me to where I ever condemned socialism without the tie in of totalitarianism (which Patriot Front's racial ideology falls under). Also, I find it ironic that you will call these people neo Nazis when it suits you but if I do the same, and point out that they stem from a group that called itself neo Nazis, even sharing a bunch of members between the two, somehow thats nonsensical.

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Anonymous #2 12w

I said they call themselves neo-fascists/ultra-nationalists. If you’re going to keep trying to “quote” me at least make up the lies better. This is the second time

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Anonymous OP 12w

My bad I got you mixed up with #3 in that quote. Do you seriously believe that Patriot Front is a meaningfully different organization from its branch in Vanguard? I don't but I'd be interested to hear that perspective

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Anonymous OP 12w

In fact I would go so far as to call them one and the same

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Anonymous #2 12w

I believe that it’s disingenuous to say anyone who calls themselves a socialist deserves condemnation; a qualification you made very clear prior to actually condemning the specific thing that was being spoken about

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Anonymous OP 12w

Is it not clear what sect of ideology I'm referring to when I say totalitarians who call themselves socialists? I can spell it out for you if thats the issue, I condemn all totalitarianism but especially the ones birthed from Nazism and similar racial ideologies (aka the totalitarians that tend to call themselves socialists)

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Anonymous OP 12w

I don't mean any person who calls themself a socialist and I see where that can be misconstrued but I have tried again and again to clarify thats not what I meant

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Anonymous #2 12w

Why is it so hard for you to just condemn the thing that happened today? Let’s not forget that you tried to avoid doing it by saying it was inconvenient or painting it like an apology

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Anonymous OP 12w

Because I don't see racial ideology as the biggest flaw in this and I have explained why already. The totalitarian ideology still fails regardless of the racial ideology even being true, which it isn't.

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Anonymous #2 12w

So you tried to make the argument that it’s not worth condemning on the fourth of july because it’s not the most important thing to be discussed?

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Anonymous OP 12w

We've had a pretty lengthy discussion about it, I'd hardly say that.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Reread my question

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Anonymous OP 12w

It's a poorly loaded question, I did condemn it for multiple reasons so I obviously think it's worth condemning. Furthermore, I have discussed it at length so obviously I believe it to be worth discussing as well.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Then why go out of your way to pretend it was an apology or it wasn’t worth the time since it’s a holiday?

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Anonymous OP 12w

As I stated in the beginning, it seems like you want me to take an apologetic tone to this instead of explaining what I believe. It seems to really rattle you guys that I not only oppose racial ideology but also to an even greater extent totalitarianism and the subsect of totalitarians calling themselves socialists.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Seems off of?

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Anonymous OP 12w

Huh?

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Anonymous #2 12w

What made it seem that way? What did I say?

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Anonymous OP 12w

The fact that my condemnation of it immediately spurred you guys to try and pick it apart rather than accept that we actually agree.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Hey man, people just want to condemn nazis. Not even the whole “oh everyone disagrees with me is a nazi”- literal nazi white supremecists. Those who are MAGA usually simply ignore them. No one wants an apology, just go “yeah the proud boys are pretty bad people” and genuinely most people will be fine with that Our current president cannot do that, and so many maga wont either

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Anonymous #4 12w

I don't think any totalitarianism belongs on this holiday, it's probably the biggest theme of what we fought against 250 years ago that I agree with. We were certainly imperfect at doing so as well, hell we even had ownership of other people at the time, but I'd be damned to say that our ideals weren't there.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Thats why it is my biggest issue and the first thing that comes to mind for me. I understand that treating people unfairly because of racial ideology is a bad thing completely, however I think we can strive for an even greater ideal of just treating people fairly in general.

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