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Anonymous #2 14w

A tolerant society has to be intolerant of intolerance

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

In my opinion no matter what system you use it will crumble if you have a corrupted government that only care about personal gain. When we are In power it is our responsibility to actually put regulations on how much power companies can have, stop lobbying, stop politicians from buying or selling stocks while in office, and actually use our tax dollars for universal healthcare and things that actually benefit the American people

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

Have to agree. Capitalism isn’t working because our government has failed to regulate it

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Most leftists aren’t regressive, though. As a leftist myself I think OP is just being contrarian. Free speech must be protected

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Please explain how racial segregation (not slavery) contributed to the US GDPs expansion. Slavery obviously impacted our growth over time, but racial segregation is literally a growth deterrent. We’re not “reliant” on slavery in prisons for our economic strength too, you think prisoners are laboring more than working in the commissary or library? You’re just mad that the US has historical wrongdoings, but conflating segregation and prisoners with our economic success is incorrect.

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Anonymous #8 14w

Capitalism is a system that will collapse even without corruption, or rather it creates corruption, when money is the most important part of life it is inevitably going to corrupt individuals and organizations. On top of that, all countries in the global north benefit from the exploitation of the global south (cheeky global south reference); all of yall in northern europe love to act like youve got it all figured out cuz the exploitation doesn’t happen on your soil

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A presidential memorandum doesn’t override the first amendment. You can support socialism and communism all you want and you won’t be arrested. Which is why I’m glad I’m in a country with free speech.

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Anonymous #7 14w

Who decides what’s intolerance?

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Anonymous #7 14w

I can’t really agree with you. For example the quality of live for Switzerland and Scotland are ranked really high and they have many different programs such as cheap/ free universities, healthcare and even government assistance if you are unemployed. America just genuinely have a greed problem since we view money as God, this even ties into who you can date since if you aren’t making a certain amount many people wouldn’t look at you. America has just fallen because of horrible government

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Anonymous #7 14w

But I do think some things people should and shouldn’t own, if you want to own a little mom and pop shop and sell stuff or a social media company then that’s fine, but when it comes to banks I do not think it should be privatized since banks/hedge funds in America genuinely have the power of God almost

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

There’s a reason why the Fed is a separate form the rest of the government as possible. You can see it with Trump. Politicians try to force the Fed to make decisions that will make them look good, even if those choices would hurt the economy. For example: lowering rates during high inflation. Making the financial sector government-owned would make the problem 10x worse. Privatization reduces the chance of political meddling and incentivizes groups to make sound economic decisions.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Although regulation is still necessary, giving the government too much authority would swing the pendulum the other way and create a new monster

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Anonymous #1 14w

That’s true, but I see both the good and the bad in communism and capitalism. Chinas banks are mostly government owned so they can easily fund things that actually benefit the country like high speed railways etc, banks in America like private equity and hedge funds have been destroying this country form the inside out. For example a hedge fund literally seized an Argentina navy ship because Argentina could not pay them, no private company should have the power to literally subdue a nation.

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

I agree both systems have benefits, but it ultimately comes down to which system incentivizes its citizens the best. Yes, state-owned banks in China have financed infrastructure projects at the behest of the government. However, that same control has made the system vulnerable to politics in ways the American system is not. Chinese banks have seen major detriments (housing bubble, propping up failing state-owned businesses) due to being state property.

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Anonymous #1 14w

I agree, but for example private equity firms have been buying low income hospitals, stripping it of everything it has and then shutting it down which has lead to the death of thousands of US citizens. I think maybe we could keep it private but must regulate them from committing such acts towards the American people for profit

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Anonymous #1 14w

Since American banks aren’t as intertwined with the government as in China, the private financial sector has stronger incentives to make logical economic decisions. After all, the banks will shoulder the burden should they fail, not the government. Of course this doesn’t mean a private financial sector is perfect (see 2008), it just means that incentives for rational capital allocation are stronger in it.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Yea I see where you’re coming from, but the entire US economy is being held up by a single private bank. JP Morgan, which leads to politicians basically doing whatever is in the next interest for these giants, blackrock and other major banks send consultants to Washington and basically controls what happens behind the curtain without people even knowing who they are.

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

Regarding your claim about the seizure of an Argentinian naval vessel, the ship was seized under court order as debt collateral after Argentina defaulted on the bonds it owed the group. It was later released through legal channels. Claiming that a “private company [has] the power to subdue a nation” is a gross exaggeration of court-approved actions that took place. The group did not exercise over Argentina, it went through Argentinian legal channels to resolve its financial conflicts.

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

Political lobbying and monopolization is indeed an issue. However, government ownership of the financial sector wouldn’t be a magical cure for corruption. It would simply move the corruption inside the government where politicians would make decisions based on what’s fashionable. This represents an arguably greater risk to the economy as capital is allocated based on political, not economic, merit.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Yea your right, everything starts with making our government less corrupted

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

Stuck the nail on the head. Unfortunately many people use the current system as a scapegoat for everything that’s wrong without addressing the underlying reasons why. They fail to recognize that often, the reasons why capitalism is faulty are the same reasons why communism or socialism fail.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Yea I even said this earlier while talking about how capitalism isn’t at fault, it’s unfortunate that some people really don’t want to see no system works until the people that are supposed to uphold it isn’t cheating it

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

Which of course is really hard to do. Once one person starts its snowballs until you reach the point where the system, both its good and bad parts, doesn’t work without the web of deals and promises that props it up.

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Anonymous #1 14w

Science and logic, if you are spreading objective misinformation like anti-vax or anti-abortion propaganda or straight up being hateful then you should be BRUTALLY MURDERED.

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Anonymous purple_boat59 14w

I definitely agree the US has a greed problem that you wont see in Europe, and Im also not denying that these socially democratic countries arent providing a higher quality of life to their citizens, cuz they are, Im just saying thats still ultimately at the expense of people in the global south, they are all closely aligned with the US and other major imperial powers

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America is the most capitalistic nation in the world and you’re tripping if you think otherwise

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Not conflating segregation with the prison system, but segregation as a contributor to economic growth

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Anonymous #7 13w

lmao buzz words that you don’t understand. Science is a philosophy of how to understand the world. Logic is the way we format statements and declarations about a state in the universe. Get your dogma out of here

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You’re honestly gonna sit there and say you never said that after responding to my comment, about economic growth, and saying your comment that we were “reliant on literal slavery and segregation until 60 years ago” wasn’t about being reliant on segregation economically? Then what are you talking about? My comment was about the country’s economic growth over the last 250 years under capitalism. Pointing out that segregation happened doesn’t really impact that argument.

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I feel like I’m being punked like you’re purposefully misreading my comments 😭 just realized in your second comment to me you claimed I said you were conflating segregation with the prison industrial complex, while the comment says “conflating segregation and prisoners WITH our economic success is incorrect”

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I agree that they are. I’m very anti-surveillance and dislike many current day developments. I didn’t vote for Trump, so I’m not like cheering for them to keep persecuting leftists and lgbtq. Trump talks a lot but he’s one blip in our history and I trust that when his term passes free speech will strengthen in this country.

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I’m not contesting the topic of slavery since that obviously was a contributor to the US’s economic growth. Slavery was around for approximately 100 years, it didn’t found the modern day computer. Or boeing. This economy was built more on capitalism than slavery. Segregation and the current day prison industrial complex are detractors to economic growth. The argument that we kept them around for economic growth is just dumb. More productive people = more growth, you think the government wants

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To shrink the population further through jailing them or restricting where people can shop on the basis of that helping the economy?

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No worries man, glad you’re willing to have a conversation and actually engage

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Anonymous #7 13w

Gender affirming healthcare is not logical nor scientific

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